There’s No “Ethnomasochism” Because There’s No Such Thing As White People

Groan. The concept of “whites committing suicide” or “WASP ethnomasochism” pops up every once in a while among people who should know better, usually at VDare and here specifically again from John Derbyshire. I procrastinate about writing about things I want to and should write about, but sometimes I am compelled to write about something, even at an inconvenient time.

“Whites” aren’t self-destructing. “Whites” aren’t committing suicide. “Whites” aren’t inviting dangerous foreigners into their territory. “Whites” aren’t doing this because whites are not a unified group. Seeing whites as a generally unified group is a serious category error and buys into a basic rhetorical trick of the elite, the meaning of the words “we” and “you”.

The trouble is that the words “we” and “us” in all the languages I am familiar with can mean either the speaker and people with him, but not those addressed, or it can include those addressed. If it includes those addressed, the topic may not apply equally to all the members of the group. If the topic applies only slightly to all members, the use of “we” may still be appropriate, although disingenuous, but if it does not apply to all members the use of “we” is false.

When the elite uses the word “we” in a policy statement, they typically mean “you”. When they say “We must integrate our neighborhoods and schools, to eliminate racism and help minorities” they mean you must integrate your schools and neighborhoods. Their schools and neighborhoods will remain blissfully and entirely elite white. When they say “We must welcome immigrants into our nation” they mean you must welcome immigrants into your nation. Elite whites will have little contact with immigrants except as servants of one sort or another, will derive all the benefits of immigration while you bear all the costs.  “We” when a statement is made about a cost, burden or obligation always means you.

When the elite uses “we”, “us” or “our” in a statement describing some kind of benefit, it still means “we” but in the sense of the speaker and the people with him, not including those addressed, although this is falsely implied. When the elite says “Integration will make our society more just”, “Diversity will bring us many benefits” or “Immigration makes our society more vibrant” they are not lying. The words “we”, “us” and “our” are true when they apply to the elite, who do derive benefit from these things. They are a clever untruth in the implication that they apply to society as a whole.

Whites are a racial category of people originating in Europe and living in Europe and other parts of the world, and having a common intellectual, social and cultural heritage largely based in Christianity. They are divided, often tragically, in further ethnic and religious subsets. These conflicts are generally portrayed by English liberal Protestants as the journey of man from ignorance to enlightenment.

The old-school Americanism you find at VDare and other places does no question this narrative. It sees an English commercial society as a good thing, one to which non-English Europeans are lucky to have been able to be able to join, and who should be grateful for it. The only problem is that this has been subverted, by blacks and Jews and sometimes by Catholics. This society never existed. Even the people who felt like they were always Americans were never Americans. There is no such place as America, and no such things as an American.


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I like fast cars, fast women and southern-fried rock. I have an ongoing beef with George Orwell. I take my name from a character in Plato's "Republic" who was exasperated with the kind of turgid BS that passed for deep thought and political discourse in that time and place, just as I am today. The character, whose name means "fierce fighter" was based on a real person but nobody knows for sure what his actual political beliefs were. I take my pseudonym from a character in an Adam Sandler song who was a obnoxious jerk who pissed off everybody.
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9 Responses to There’s No “Ethnomasochism” Because There’s No Such Thing As White People

  1. Hizzle says:

    I was at Occidental Dissent awhile back, and Hunter had a picture up of Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, playing with their adopted Third World Babies, and the title was something like “Gracchites: Traitors to our People.” I’ll post the link at the end of this so you can see what I’m talking about. The term “Gracchites” comes from Wilmot Robinson’s “The Dispossessed Majority” which makes the same sort of miscalculation about “ethno-masochism.”

    I guess Brad Pitt should technically be included in Hunter’s confederacy (since he is from Missouri) but it’s still a stretch to call someone a traitor who was never on-board in the first place:

  2. spandrell says:

    I might be wrong, but as a foreigner I have the impression that the white american identity is a south-west thing, where you could say the white ethnics sorta melted into one non-Mexican non-black ethnic group, while in New England and its colonies, the old divisions are still alive. And of course New England sets the agenda.

    • Roughly, there is one white American identity that is held by non-elite traditionalists everywhere, and one held by elites. Many southerners have a southern, confederate identity. Race, class and ethnic consciousness of being outside the system is held by very few whites, but that may change. You can’t really have a nationalist movement in the US like they have in Europe because white Americans have, by design, a very muddled view of themselves.

  3. Jehu says:

    There’s no need to be logically or cosmically accurate about the bounds or existence of a group like whites. Your opposition defines you even if you don’t. If you don’t get any sort of preferences/AA/set asides, you’re white. Get with the pogrom.

  4. Peter Blood says:

    There is no such place as America, and no such things as an American.

    America is Utopia, which means “nowhere.”

    • Liberalism is a debilitating mental disease says:

      It’s an incontestable & irrefutable absolute fact that America is a country & it’s citizens are Americans, period, end of discussion.

  5. Mike says:

    Try telling a black person there’s no such thing as black people, see how far you get

  6. Max says:

    There are languages in which there are different words for “we” depending on if the second person is included.

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