Study Finds Turks Use Leftists To Undermine Europe

A “right-wing” Turkish party is Islamic, or against the European peoples, and a “left-wing” European party is leftist, or against the European people. It makes perfect sense.


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9 Responses to Study Finds Turks Use Leftists To Undermine Europe

  1. sconzey says:

    This isn’t quite right. The Turkish political spectrum runs from the Kemalists who are secular, reactionary, nationalistic, and suspicious of democracy to the Islamists who tend to be religious, economically progressive, and internationalist/pan-Islamic.

    Economically both the Kemalists and the Islamists are to the left of most European parties, but the Kemalists are without a doubt the Turkish ‘right’. The Islamists, despite their religious influence, are because of their democracy and internationalism natural allies of the Left.

    • Heil Hizzle Mein Nizzle says:

      I think Ayatollah Khomeini was more intellectually responsible than Ayn Rand. I’m the opposite of a Breitbart/ “South Park” conservative. Socially conservative, but at least something of a New Deal liberal (in Thrasymachus’s term “a white socialist”). Aside from Conservatism and Cheap Labor Lobbying, Randian Objectivism has done more to destroy the Right as a viable concept in the US than anything else.

      • Heil Hizzle Mein Nizzle says:

        I should add that this sentence is wrong: “This trend can also be seen among the Jewish diaspora, where suddenly the chutzpah-laden lecturers on tolerance in someone else’s country turn into hardline “kill em all” Zionists when they step on their own soil.”

        These are two entirely separate groups of Jews. Read a New York Times Op-Ed (or the comments section of their articles) if you want to know what American Jews think. American Jews are, as Norman Podhertz once said, Liberal first, and Jewish second. That rodent Tim Wise is as much against “Israeli Apartheid” as he is “white privilege.”

        Conversely, hardcore Hasidic Jews are insular, and were the only bloc Republican vote in NYC. They are Jewish supremacists who think they are better than everyone else, but they mind their own business generally and prevent hardcore blight (that brings crime against whites) in major cities, by forming bulwarks against black ghettos (like Korean or Indian shop owners).

        The real “liberal abroad, Zionist at home” Jew is Sheldon Adelson type, who is the one Rockefeller, Hitler, Winston Churchill, and your mother warned you about.

    • mighty goy says:

      Kemalism is more like French Secular Republicanism, the great Ataturk was a crypto-jew and terminated the Ottoman Empire.

      The AKP “islamists” are honest free-market liberals, Turkey is the only country in Europe that have economic growth. thanks to them

  2. fnn says:

    With Jews It’s more complicated than that :

    Poll: U.S. Jews overwhelmingly back Gaza operation
    By Eric Fingerhut · January 29, 2009

    WASHINGTON (JTA) — Seventy-nine percent of American Jews felt Israel’s actions in Gaza were appropriate, according to a new Anti-Defamation League poll.

    Just 17 percent said Israel’s response to the “current crisis in Gaza” was excessive, according to the poll of 400 American Jews surveyed from Jan. 13-19. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.9 percent.

    • fnn says:

      More of the same:

      Philip Weiss expressed his surprise that “liberal” rabbis would support buying products produced at a West Bank settlement. Of course, this is not too surprising, and one of his readers called him on it. In the reader’s experience, there are plenty of rabbis who are

      progressive on issues such as labor, immigration, environment, capital punishment, etc. … They say they feel for the plight of the Palestinians, but when it comes to any real challenge to the status quo, such as BDS in any form, they are not to be found. Their voices during the Lebanon and Gaza invasions were there in mild, but very mild, criticism. They spend most of their time on the Middle East “reaching out to our Muslim brothers.” I must say they are very supportive of Muslim groups and Islamic mosques when it comes to anti-Muslim discrimination. But, there is an unstated and sometimes stated price for these folks to pay, which is “be gentle on Israel, be critical of certain measures, such as house demolitions, but be understanding in general.”

      Since I work with the same Muslim groups, going back several years ago I found their deference to their “liberal Jewish friends who are so supportive of us” to be very frustrating. But, fortunately, these are not foolish people and they have now seen the ploy. As a result, while interfaith dialogue between liberal Jewish clergy and Muslims still exists, it is pretty much window dressing and Muslim groups are much more outspoken on Palestinian issues. But, in conclusion, liberal/progressive Jewish clergy in the LA area set back support for Palestinian rights like Wiesenthal Center, ADL and AIPAC never could; and I believe that was their role…

      • fnn says:

        Jewish Double Standards and Hypocrisy Department: Reform Jews Get on the Far Right Bandwagon
        Kevin MacDonald on October 28, 2011 —

        But remain staunchly on the left in the U.S. Mondoweiss reports on a major conference of the Union for Reform Judaism:

        But Natan Sharansky? Sharansky is a rightwing Israeli leader who chairs One Jerusalem, which has worked to kill the two-state solution, supposedly precious to liberal Jews. And Bill Kristol– WTF! Kristol is the neoconservative leader who pushed the Iraq war, writing that “Israel’s fight against terrorism is our fight.” Kristol has backed Israeli colonies through the West Bank.

        This demonstrates the conservatism of even Reform Jews when it comes to Israel. Reform Jewish leader Eric Yoffie attacked Richard Goldstone months after the Gaza horror. Reform Jewish leader Rabbi David Saperstein criticized J Street for taking a fairly mild stand against settlements. And J Street has pulled back its criticisms of Israel because it has pitched its tent inside the Jewish community and the Jewish community is reactionary on the Israel question. So it follows that at a time when Israel is losing credibility around the world, Reform circles the wagons, and welcomes rightwingers…

  3. oscar the grinch says:

    fnn — Oh come on already. After all, remember that you’re talking about Jews here. If you give the Jews a stale bag of month-old potato chips, they’ll find a way to use it to betray you. It’s just what they do, they can’t really help themselves.

    • fnn says:

      Read Heil Hizzle Mein Nizzle April 19, 2013 at 6:38 pm. I was trying to help him from spreading any further misinformation.

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