Mockery and Modern Discourse

Mockery is strongly prohibited in the Old Testament. Mockers, mocking or mockery are mentioned 57 times in the OT; 2 duplicates of Isaiah saying God mocks the Assyrians, once God mocking mockers, and the rest directly condemning mockery. Clearly mockery is strongly prohibited by God. And yet mockery is a basic rhetorical tool of Jews in attacking political opponents. Puritans and other heretical Christian leftists prefer self-righteous admonishment, yet they engage in mockery sometimes as well. What is to be made of this pervasive method of attack?

Mockery, or more specifically unmerited critical attack, is addressed in “Beowulf”. For those not familiar with the story, (if you aren’t please read it, the Donaldson prose translation is the best) Beowulf arrives from Geatland (Goth land, now southern Sweden) in Denmark to fight Grendel, a monster who has been terrorizing the Danes for years. Beowulf’s great feats precede him and most are glad he has come. One drunken fool, Unferth- the name means discord- a cowardly fellow, tells Beowulf he failed to defeat Breca in a swimming contest, so he will probably fail.

In the mores of the times, Beowulf would have been justified in immediately killing Unferth. He had been grossly insulted. Beowulf however takes a more measured approach. He admits that yes, it is true, he did not defeat Breca in their swimming contest. They had been in the ocean for days, neither able to pull ahead of the other. Then a storm came up, and forced them apart. The storm aroused the anger of the sea monsters, and Beowulf was then occupied for days more with fighting and killing them, some dragging him all the way to the bottom of the sea. Beowulf and Breca were then each blown ashore at their own homelands.

Beowulf tells Unferth that yes, he is right, he didn’t defeat Breca in swimming; but there is a lot more to the story, and he hasn’t heard of any comparable victories of Unferth’s. Furthermore Unferth has murdered his own brother, a particularly heinous crime in that culture. For that matter none of the Danes have been able to kill Grendel, but they will soon see what a Goth can do.

After killing Grendel, Beowulf then goes to kill Grendel’s mother. Unferth lends him his sword, and while it proves useless against the spell of the monster woman, Beowulf says nice things about it when he gives it back.

Mockery is a tool of cowards and fools, and only works with cowards and fools. Mainstream conservatives are laid low by mockery every time. Called names, they insist they aren’t those things, and disparaged they try to appear not to be disparaged. Called racists, conservatives spend a great deal of time trying to prove they aren’t racists, as if you could prove a negative, and derided as unfashionable, they try very hard to be fashionable.

Beowulf’s response to mockery is the correct one. Measured response to the attack, admitting the truth where it is true, is appropriate. A counterattack on the moral standing of the mocker to make any criticism is also correct. Dismissing the view of the mocker and substituting it with your own completes the response.

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About thrasymachus33308

I like fast cars, fast women and southern-fried rock. I have an ongoing beef with George Orwell. I take my name from a character in Plato's "Republic" who was exasperated with the kind of turgid BS that passed for deep thought and political discourse in that time and place, just as I am today. The character, whose name means "fierce fighter" was based on a real person but nobody knows for sure what his actual political beliefs were. I take my pseudonym from a character in an Adam Sandler song who was a obnoxious jerk who pissed off everybody.
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21 Responses to Mockery and Modern Discourse

  1. Jim says:

    Beowulf was a Geat not a Goth.

  2. Thrasymachus, what’s your email address? The link in your sidebar just redirects to mail.com.

  3. Heil Hizzle says:

    Michael Herr, the Jewish fellow who co-wrote “Full Metal Jacket” and “Apocalypse Now” (and wrote “Dispatches”) quoted the Jewish filmmaker Stanley Kubrick as saying that “Gentiles don’t know how to worry” and that “Jews can only be themselves around other Jews.”

    I grew up in a city with a large population of Jews that was in the sort of demographic transition that Howard Stern used to discuss regarding his childhood in Long Island, and I know these people well. The truth about Paul Krugman, or Bill Maher, or Jon Stewart, or Adam Sandler is that they are terrified of gentiles at a subconscious level, and when feeling cornered they use mockery (otherwise they stick to a nervous brand of rapid-fire humor). I know you’re not allowed to psychoanalyze Jews, and it is a tool only they can use against you, but there you go.

    I’m not saying it’s only a Jewish thing, but they started it and still do it best (or worst). For me, the worst part of it is the hypocrisy. Krugman’s blog is called “The Conscience of a Liberal” and he is, at least in the abstract and in an economic sense, allegedly for the little guy against the big guy, but he never misses a chance to get a covert shot in at the flyover state Goyim. Ditto for Maher, who is all against those rich Republican scumbags, but also against those “Low-lying Lindy England fruit” and “GED Hopefuls” who staff the military he wants to protect Israel, who believe in “Jesus” as well as “wrasslin’ being real.”

    Try to picture Chomsky at a NASCAR rally and you’ll see what I mean. My feelin toward Jews in general: If they give you medical advice, take it. If they give you legal advice, take it. If they give you political advice, RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. Brandon says:

    God mocks and therefore those who are his will do likewise…Psalm 2:1-5.

    • What version is that? The ESV and the NIV both use “laughs” and don’t include the part about “his”.

      • Brandon says:

        The initial sentence is mine….”He that sits in the heavens will laugh; My Lord will mock at them”. Laughter at someone is a form of mockery. It is the implication of “I know better than you”. Vs 1-3 tells who He is mocking/laughing at. We SHOULD mock the enemy, for his ideas/policies are lies.

  5. mindweapon says:

    It seems to me like there is going to be an element of humor in Fate, or the Hand of God. What is “poetic justice” than God mocking a sinner?

    However, I think it’s not our place to take part in excessive or offensive mockery or ridiculing the customs and mores of others. The Jews donig that to us is most certianly extremely sinful.

    I wonder if Christians could use a Mind Weapon against the Jews by calling the things they do sinful, and saying that God will punish them for thier sins (with the subtext being that you’d like to punish them yourself, but it’s all up to God).

    Summoning your God versus their God has great power in it; see Gangs of New York. I’m not a Christian so it’s not something I’m going to do, but I could see the Christians using it — calling out the Jews for Great Sin, and serenely promising Divine Wrath and Comeuppance on them.

    • Christians used to do that, until WWII. Then the “super protestants” got the idea they would start using Jews as toadies, and it was forbidden. It was then the idea that Christianity comes from Judaism, whch it does not, and that there is something called “Judeo-Christian”.

      Paul said Jews would come to worship Christ, but he was talking about the time he was in. Many did, others refused and developed the religion and culture today called Judaism. Some Jews come to Christ, like that lawyer who is on TV for various Christian issues, but in general opposing Christians is a core part of their identity, even if they are atheists.

      The closest people in the Bible to modern Jews were the Pharisees, and Jesus hated them with a passion.

    • Peter Blood says:

      I wonder if Christians could use a Mind Weapon against the Jews by calling the things they do sinful, and saying that God will punish them for thier sins

      Excellent idea.

    • Jehu says:

      Jews have over 1900 years of sin debt built up with God. You see, there is NO REMISSION OF SIN WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD. And the ONLY place where blood sacrifice is acceptable to God is at the Temple, properly consecrated. Anywhere else your animal sacrifices just piss Him off more at you. You haven’t had a temple since around AD 72 or so. So the cup of God’s wrath against you has just been filling and overflowing and filling and overflowing for over 1950 years now. Is your history easier to understand now?

      There are a couple of ways out of this little conundrum. The first is that you could follow the lead of lots of your coethnics and UPGRADE your covenant with God. It’s a righteous covenant, it EVEN COMES WITH BACON (see Acts 10). Or you could get the Temple rebuilt and reconsecrated and get to work. Sacrifices must be made!

      • Why don’t they rebuild the temple? Supposedly it could be done without disturbing the mosque. Even so I don’t think they care about pissing off the Moslems.

        The post-temple Jews don’t want to share a covenant with any Gentiles, I don’t think.

  6. Jim says:

    Geats were a different people than Goths. They lived in southern Sweden and were an ethnic group separately identified from Swedes until early modern times. The Goths when first located in history lived in the present Ukraine north of the Black Sea. Goths were East Germans and Geats were North Germans.

  7. Jehu says:

    Thras,
    THere are factions that want to rebuild the temple. In the 67 war, the unit on the site was SORELY tempted to demo the Dome fo the Rock when they captured the temple mount. As I understand it to rebuild the temple would be an act of war against most of the Middle East.
    Of course most don’t want to share a covenant with Christians—if they did…they’d be…Christians. But completeness demands that I include that option.

  8. TD says:

    I think you’ve identified a pretty important (and overlooked) point here.

    Consider your typical Gawker/Slate comments section. Look at the tone. Notice the glaring lack of argument — or even acknowledgement of any underlying premises — and the withering, contemptuous mockery that takes its place. All of it so casually delivered.

    Sure, you’ll encounter an analog of sorts on the Breitbart right — the clumsy “Odumba” and “57 states” stuff. But that feels more like the hapless lashing-out of a younger sibling (“well, you stink more!”) than the calculated, acid-tongued jabs of one who actually holds power in the family.

    And to the extent that mainstream conservatism is right-liberalism, “Odumba”
    is just leftist discourse anyway.

  9. Mr. Roach says:

    I was thinking today during the reading of Luke’s Passion at Mass, that Jesus deals well with mockers. He doesn’t go tit for tat with them, and basically puts ball in their court, “That’s what you say.” In other words, he makes it plain he’s not their equal and that he knows they’re not dealing in good faith.

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