Lies, Shame, Deception, and Taqqiya

I have been reading Christian blogger going through Genesis and talking about the different “exoduses” found there. One of the recurring themes is the use of deception by sympathetic characters. European readers have historically found this troubling, but he explains it was the correct and moral response to threat or deception from bad characters.

Speaking openly and truthfully has always been an important European value. Important matters were debated publically in the assembly, but would also be discussed in the marketplace or in home gatherings. Women, slaves and low status people were expected to know their place and be quiet, but any free man could say what he thought. This didn’t mean of course that men didn’t lie and deceive their enemies but it wasn’t the first or the best choice and was thought of as being a bit shameful even if necessary. Being expected or forced to remain silent or submissively accede to the opinions of others was lower still, the mark of a powerless person dependent on others and very shameful and humiliating.

The concept of making truthful statements and being bound by them was a great one for the ancient Germanic peoples. They had a god of oaths and laws, Tyr, who lost a hand for refusing to violate an oath. The Old Testament law is not as strict on the concept of honesty. The commandment to not bear false witness only forbids accusing another falsely of committing a crime; while other parts of the law demand honesty in business dealings, committment to truth isn’t the same kind of primary value.

Pro-white whites are put in a terrible bind by this. The truth is toxic. One is expected to lie, shut up, dissemble, or in other ways avoid it every day. You can speak candidly with a few trusted people, but you must be very careful. By their own culture they are being degraded and humiliated. You can be a live coward or a dead hero. It’s very demoralizing.

We can see there are varying attitudes toward speaking truthfully. The OT implicitly permits deception to avoid being harmed by the more powerful or to counter deception by hostile others. Jesus said his followers should be “wise as serpents” which has an implication of lying if necessary since the serpent is a symbol of deceit. The modern Jewish interpretation of the OT is that deception is acceptable towards any non-Jew. The Puritans, being very OT oriented, probably picked up on this. Shia Moslems have a religious legal concept called “taqqiya” which allows them to deny their religion when necessary for safety. Sunni Moslems formally reject this, but as a prectical matter practice it also.

Europeans, to survive mentally, must take a different attitude towards deception. It is not shameful or dishonorable to lie, remain silent, or consent to falsehoods if necessary for safety or survival. We are surrounded by powerful and unscrupulous enemies. We should not lie to each other or ourselves but we should lie like rugs to our enemies and all collaborators.

This is unnatural for intelligent and rational people. “Nineteen eighty-four” is largely about a man’s struggle to maintain an objective truth for his own sanity and to understand what he is supposed to say and do to survive, and his failure to achieve this. But we do it all the time anyway, the important thing is not to feel bad about it, but to embrace it as a tool.

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I like fast cars, fast women and southern-fried rock. I have an ongoing beef with George Orwell. I take my name from a character in Plato's "Republic" who was exasperated with the kind of turgid BS that passed for deep thought and political discourse in that time and place, just as I am today. The character, whose name means "fierce fighter" was based on a real person but nobody knows for sure what his actual political beliefs were. I take my pseudonym from a character in an Adam Sandler song who was a obnoxious jerk who pissed off everybody.
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9 Responses to Lies, Shame, Deception, and Taqqiya

  1. Ryu says:

    It’s like what Bob Seager said: what to leave in, what to leave out. Lying is a necessity today.

  2. mindweapon says:

    I’m glad the concept of Taqqiya is spreading to Christians! Good job, Thrasymachus!

  3. Brandon says:

    We are at war. We speak truth to the enemy to get him riled up and his minions blood pressure up to hasten their deaths, while also using deception – manipulative tactics, pretending to be his friend, when we are not.

    Very good.

  4. Jehu says:

    My namesake, Jehu, was the past master of taqiyya. Check out how he handled the priesthood of Baal—the Cathedral of his time. Churchians HATE this guy, but God liked him so much he gave the northern kingdom a 4 generation stay of execution.

  5. Heil Hizzle says:

    It is only a matter of time before we see one of Sailer’s “large, self-assured” black women filing her acrylic nails in a cubicle with the name Taqqiya.

  6. Odysseus would be a good model for WN’s to follow if we must remain underground. Virgil and Dante didn’t like him, partly due to their Roman/Italian nationalism, but also because he was a cunning, deceptive character. It may be distasteful to us to be cunning, but it would be even worse to be defeated.

  7. spandrell says:

    Getting used to lying is toxic to society.
    Behaving like middle-easterners gets you… the Middle East.

    Might as well shut-up.

  8. AAB says:

    The pre-Christian Norse seemed to accept lying and deception as acceptable. Here are two stanzas from Havamal:

    43
    A man must be a friend to his friend
    and give gift for gift.
    Men should use mockery in return for mockery,
    and deception in return for a lie.

    45
    If you have another
    whom you mistrust,
    but you want to get something good from him,
    you must speak fair to him,
    and think deceitful thoughts,
    and give deception in return for a lie.
    (http://www.beyondweird.com/high-one.html)

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