Foseti brings up the strange history surrounding World War II again. Ayn Rand said- “There are no contradictions. Check your premises.” If a war by a coalition of democracies led to the extension of totalitarian dictatorship to hundreds of millions of more people, didn’t something have to go terribly wrong?
My era of conservatism was the Ronald Reagan era. Communism was opposed, but it was also taken as a given. Before that was an era where people witnessed the extension of the communist state from Russia and its possessions to Eastern Europe, China and much of Southeast Asia. Religious people were particularly traumatized by the official atheism of the new regimes and the oppression of religion.
Things need explanations, and they fell into two categories. The first, and the more popular, was incompetence. “Who lost China?” was a popular cry. Naive diplomats and people who trusted Uncle Joe. As we see in the current election, it is more comfortable to accuse your opponent of incompetence rather than malice. Accusations of malice were certainly made though, most famously by Wisconsin Senator Joseph McCarthy. The State Department among other agencies were, he claimed, heavily infiltrated by communist agents. This was not politically acceptable to claim, and McCarthy was given the bum’s rush.
We know now since the collapse of the Soviet Union and the release of the Venona transcripts that McCarthy was right and essentially every person he accused of being a communist was in fact actually a communist. Problem solved, right? Case closed, right? There is such a thing as stopping to early, thinking you have things figured out. There is more to it.
Moldbug concluded that since communists operated openly and with the apparent endorsement of the very top of American society, that America is essentially a communist country, that communism is fundamentally something originating in America and spread outward. That’s a not unreasonable conclusion, but it doesn’t account for the European nature of communism and its differences with Anglospheric culture. The Anglospheric elite was not communist, is not communist and never wanted communism anywhere they had control. That did not mean communism could not serve their purposes in some cases.
Wedemeyer’s comparison of World War II to the Peloponnesian War is instructive. Sparta fought Athens but Persia was the real beneficiary, or a few years later Macedonia, or a little later Rome. To see this as a failure of Sparta is to misunderstand it’s motives. Sparta wanted to get rid of Athens, and they did. Sparta itself wanted to maintain unquestioned control of the Peloponnese, the southern part of Greece, but their failure to do so is mostly unrelated.
Paleoconservatives gripe endlessly about the neoconservative, and now Obama, policy of promoting democracy in the Moslem world, as if this was a new and idiotic idea. But reformers in Britain were promoting democracy various places in the 19th century, Greece and Italy among them I believe. Not in India, mind you, or any of their colonies. But if demanding democracy, or national or ethnic self-determination undermines potential adversaries, the sting of being accused of hypocrisy will harm you little.
Britain, or the Anglospheric elite, controlled a lot of the globe- all the oceans, North America, India, much of Africa, and had strong influence in Western Europe. It had commercial presence in China and South America, but little to no control. It could not hope to control Russia, which if it was able to extend its power south would make it a fearsome competitor.
Furthermore, all these places- Russia, Eastern Europe, China, and South America, had utterly alien cultures guilty of the crime of not being amenable to English Protestantism. They are Orthodox, Catholic or Buddhist. Somebody on the Occidental Observer noted with outrage that after Disraeli became prime minister, he cozied up to the Turks to the harm of Christians in Bulgaria, and this was clearly malign Jewish influence. But it would have made no difference had he been a Methodist. George W Bush is a Methodist, and how many Christians were killed in the Middle East on his watch?
To an English Protestant, Orthodox and Catholic Christians are not Christians, they are obscurantists at best and heretics at worst. These forms of worship are no more than empty cultural relics and their destruction is a good thing.
The establishment of communism in Eastern Europe and Asia and its attempted establishment in South America are bad things only if 1) you see those people as human beings with the right to establish their own destiny and 2) it might become powerful enough to threaten you. I think it’s quite clear the system, the master culture, the Anglospheric elite, the Cathedral, whatever you want to call it, does not regard #1 as the case.
As for #2, it turns out they were right. Communism never seriously threatened any English-speaking country, any Protestant country if you exclude East Germany, or any British colony. Like a plague or a forest fire, it wiped out cultures uncontrollable, unamenable or uncooperative to the English and the classes and castes that supported them. The hellish industrialism of 19th century Manchester has been established in China. Russia is a broken shell of a nation being looted by “Russian” billionaires and their KGB friends. Catholic and Orthodox Western Europe is being destroyed under a financial system established just after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Taking the long view, World War II and its aftermath worked out great for the people running Britain and America.