MacDonald vs. Jones vs. Darkmoon on the Moral Code

Kevin MacDonald and E. Michael Jones go at it on the nature of Christian and Jewish morality and evolution; Lasha Darkmoon joins in.

Is this a political issue, or a religious one? It’s both, like many things, but more political so I’m putting it here. Not rolling in cash these days, I haven’t read all MacDonald’s and Jones’s books, although I would like to. Jones is an orthodox Catholic, MacDonald apparently agnostic or atheist. MacDonald’s thesis about the Jews is that their culture is an evolved evolutionary strategy.

Jones objects to this, but since the Vatican approves of guided evolution, I don’t see why he would. Furthermore, the idea that certain moral principles are common to all humanity is both a Jewish and a Christian one. Jews believe all humans are under the covenant of Noah while only Jews are under the laws of Moses. Paul, in Romans 1 states that all humans have an inborn sense of right and wrong, apart from any revelation of God.

The Mosaic law allows Jews to treat foreigners differently in some circumstances; foreigners can be charged interest on a loan, Jews cannot. A foreigner can be held as a slave for life, a Jew cannot. At the same time it prohibits Jews from abusing foreigners living among them. If Jews are exiled to other countries, Jeremiah 28 requires that they be good citizens and support the prosperity and well-being of those countries, which I would assume include respecting the laws and being on good terms with the native people.

The Talmudic idea that Gentiles exist only to serve Jews and can be dealt with immorally is not Biblical. Talmudic Judaism developed after the Jews lost their country. Many Jews already lived outside of Israel, but their identity could no longer be derived from citizenship in a certain place. MacDonald would say the Jews then evolved to accrue power and money, and maintaining separatism helped achieve that; I would say separatism was the goal, and pursuing power and money was to help achieve that end.

Jones doesn’t want to be called an anti-Semite. I would imagine MacDonald would deny this as well, and say he just calls them like he sees them. Are Jews “parasites”, or just good businessmen? That’s a matter of definition. One ought to be able to criticize Jews, their religion and culture just like anything else.

I don’t see the argument as being terribly relevant overall. A culture of altruism can be both biologically evolved and developed by experience, just as a culture of hostility can. Many cultures and races, the Jews not first among them, depend on the altruism of Europeans. That European culture is excessively altruistic is something people generally described as conservative agree on. That Jews (and Moslems, and Africans) take advantage of this is of little doubt to me.

Where this excessive altruism comes from is the matter of rage and confusion. MacDonald says it’s imposed by the Jews. Many others say it’s a matter of “political correctness”, including Bruce Charlton, who specifically denies any causal connection between Christianity and political correctness. “Politically correct” is a Marxist term and not from Christian theology of any kind, but political correctness certainly has a symbiotic relationship with liberal Protestant theology and culture. This is a religious matter, so I’ll address in on the other blog at some point.

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I like fast cars, fast women and southern-fried rock. I have an ongoing beef with George Orwell. I take my name from a character in Plato's "Republic" who was exasperated with the kind of turgid BS that passed for deep thought and political discourse in that time and place, just as I am today. The character, whose name means "fierce fighter" was based on a real person but nobody knows for sure what his actual political beliefs were. I take my pseudonym from a character in an Adam Sandler song who was a obnoxious jerk who pissed off everybody.
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5 Responses to MacDonald vs. Jones vs. Darkmoon on the Moral Code

  1. Heil Hizzle Mein Nizzle says:

    Tangential but related. I just saw Mel Gibson’s new movie “Get the Gringo,” which was better than it had any right to be. Uber-Jew Hollywood Agent Ari Emmanuel (brother to Rahm and son of the Irgun terrorist) blackballed Mel and let the word ring forth from William Morris that if anyone worked with Mel or gave him a job they could expect to be frozen out of the industry.

    Lo and behold, Mel gets his chance in spite of this edict, courtesy of…an Israeli-borne director named Adrian Grunberg. Kevin Macdonald had a report on his website alleging that Gibson was going to be forced/ coerced into helming a film version of the Judah and the Maccabees saga in order to rehabilitate his image. I’m just despondent that his Viking saga which was slated to star Leo Dicaprio never came to fruition.

  2. Joe says:

    To learn more about judaism [ judaism IS talmudism ] Go To :
    [ about the talmud: the talmud reflects what’s in the blood of the jews]

    [ About communism : judaism/talmudism IS communism : Communism = Judaism ]

    About Jews and Freemasons [ the jew bankers/jew mobsters own and control freemasonry ] Go To :
    [ About the Protocols of Zion : the jew religion ]

  3. I don’t understand why you say I deny any causal between Christinaity and PC – I have argued (for example here that PC is fundamentally anti-Christian both in its historical evolution and current manifestations. PC inverts Christianity, a bit at a time: and this incremental inversion is what PC calls progress.

    • I intend to write more about this on my other blog and if you care to read it you might get a better idea what I’m talking about. 90% of what people refer to as Christianity is PC Christianity, and if you say that isn’t real Christianity I would agree with you, but I don’t have the power to define Christianity for anybody but myself.

      • I’d put it the other way around – that (say) one percent of Christians who have lived for 1 percent of Christian history (i.e. modern Liberal Christian intellectuals in the West) do not have the power to REDEFINE Christianity in contradiction to 99 percent of Christians for 99 percent of Christian history.

        (The precise numbers are irrelevant, but yo get what I mean. What a minority of intellectual Western Christians have believed for 50 years, or 100 years, or even 500 years is still almost negligible in the large sweep of Christian history.)

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