Manhattan Co-ops and Residential Segregation

The tipping point conversation reminds me of something I read somewhere long ago, I don’t remember where, about co-ops in Manhattan. The co-op is a form of real estate ownership, common in Manhattan and I guess some other parts of New York, rare elsewhere. You own a unit in a building, but instead of owning the physical unit as you would with a condominium, you own a share of the co-op which entitles you to occupy a certain unit.

What makes the co-op unique is that you have to get permission from the co-op board to be a member. Having the financial ability to buy in is in no way enough- you have to be the “right kind of person”, as the rich so delicately put it. Clearly racially discriminatory, you say? As I have said repeatedly, Manhattan is different.

Co-ops can’t discriminate on race overtly, but they can on whatever other criteria they feel would make you a good or not good neighbor. You have to have an interview with the board, and they will approve or not approve you. I remember reading about a lottery winner, I think from Queens, who when interviewed said “Now I can afford to live in Manhattan.” Unfortunately, lottery winners from Queens aren’t the kind of people wealthy Manhattanites want as neighbors, and his application was denied.

Getting back to my original point, what was funny was the article said the co-ops strive to maintain the right WASP/Jew balance- and even the Jewish board members go along with this. I suppose if a building has too many Jews, it will become known as a “Jewish” building and property values will drop. If you are a rich Jew who has spent a lot of money to “get into” a nice, exclusive building you don’t want it to lose its cachet, even more than you want your property to lose its value.

This rule could obviously apply to any neighborhood- a few blacks, of the right kind, would make good neighbors, not mess up the neighborhood, and show outsiders that the residents and owners are “progressive” as they used to say about race. The respectable blacks would have a strong interest in keeping badly-behaved ghetto blacks out. Everyone could congratulate themselves on how wonderful they are.

Steve Sailer once quoted a white man, speaking to a black home-shopper- “I feel sorry for you people. You buy at the top of the market and sell at the bottom.” The respectable black, fleeing the “Black Undertow” while furthering it, does indeed have a bad situation. He enjoys only a brief time of peace, before ghetto blacks show up, and he has to look for a new place. The whites who don’t sell at the first sign of blackness- and have their communities destroyed, safety threatened, and home investment lost, as did Sailer’s own father-in-law- have it all that much worse.

A neighborhood committee to approve homebuyers would be a great idea. But we can’t get away with the same things the rich elite can.

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11 Responses to Manhattan Co-ops and Residential Segregation

  1. mindweapon says:

    It’s these very Manhattanites who force “desegregation” on the rest of us. They aren’t just rich people dodging the law, like tax dodgers. These are the legislators of integration, avoiding integration.

  2. Jehu says:

    Nope, that’s just a restrictive covenant in drag. It wouldn’t be allowed anywhere but New York.
    I do wonder though, how hard it would be to strongarm a few more cities into NYC rules of engagement (i.e., where early 1970s policing techniques are considered Kosher, and you can have selective public schools based on a test, or what amounts to restrictive covenants).

    • I hadn’t thought about the schools test before, but that’s clearly another example of a New York exception.

      • Jehu says:

        I wonder what it would take, for a non-Southern city, like say Seattle, Portland, or San Francisco, to get the New York exemption? Perhaps they could threaten to drop the bottom out of the economy unless their subvocalized demands were met?

  3. formerly no name says:

    NYC Red Diaper Babies like Radosh and David Horowitz could probably provide a lot of info about housing co-ops-I’m pretty sure they have their roots in the radical leftist community.

  4. Heil Hizzle Mein Nizzle says:

    Want to know what a liberal looks like when they are forced to live their ideals and confront their own hypocrisy? Think Michael Richards in the “Laugh Factory” comedy club incident. After his mental breakdown he declared, “I’m not a racist,” and I’m sure he believed it. He was a man who lived in a leftist Hollywood bubble, who, if queried, would have been willing to do a commercial for some African Famine moneypit with Brad and Angelina. I’m sure he voted for Obama, as well.

    But all it took was two or three minutes of unscripted reality, with moderately obnoxious blacks (probably a CAT-2 on the Chimpout scale) and the house of cards came down.

    I know Mindweapons was in the military, as were you. I was as well, and I think it goes without saying that the military (particularly the modern variant) could make a WN out of anyone. If we had a Korean/Israeli system of compulsory service, it would open a lot of eyes.

    • I saw a lot of racial differneces in the military, but I didn’t get to be really negative towards blacks until I spent some time delivering pizzas in the big city. I got held up, for one; beyond that it was seeing the callousness, rudeness, and arrogance of blacks toward a weaker person (me, serving them) that made me see more what the deal was.

      • Heil Hizzle Mein Nizzle says:

        Shit I delivered Pizzas before joining the Army. Iraq was nothing compared to Columbia, South Carolina. We had little zones highlighted different colors to denote whether or not it was dangerous to deliver there after sundown.

        This song is dedicated to anyone who ever had to deliver pizzas in a black neighborhood:

  5. bjdubbs says:

    I don’t think ordinary whites would complain about an all-white coop. You suggest that Jews are wary of an all-Jewish coop. ThefakeCNN had this tweet: “In a recent study, 80% of Jews said they stopped going to Temple because even they couldn’t stand being around other Jews.” There’s probably something to this. In other words, it’s probably not just about property values. After all, there are plenty of Jews in NY with money. If they wanted to live with other Jews, there would be no shortage of buyers.

  6. bjdubbs says:

    Of course, things might change if whites were a small minority, like Jews, and concerned about isolating themselves. I don’t think it would though.

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