Limited Atonement and the Chosen People

There is nothing that enrages Jews more than gentiles who say they run everything. On the other hand, Jews among themselves, or among trusted “righteous” gentiles, will say, “Yeah, Jews run everything. We rule!”

I will incur the wrath of both groups and tell them, to their chagrin and disappointment, no, Jews do not run everything. John Derbyshire wrote that if even if you say something complimentary about Jews, it will quickly be spun as anti-Semitic. You can say they run everything, or they don’t, and either way you’re bad.

I wrote long ago the Jews are theologically more like Catholics, but I have decided in one important aspect that’s not true. In one aspect Jews are like the crypto-Judaic merchants and bankers, the Puritans, who most certainly do run everything.

First, Judaism. Some Jews, at one time, regarded their religion as universal. The Old Testament Book of Isaiah describes the Hebrew God as being for everyone, and is the source of much of the Christian religion. Other Jews did not belive this. At the time of Jesus, the only part of the Jerusalem temple that was open to use for worship by non-Jews, the outer courtyard, had been converted to commercial purposes- this is the area Jesus drove the moneychangers out of.

Jews don’t like to accept converts, and people usually only become Jews when they marry a religious Jew. Christianity however is a universal religion- the common Christian belief is that Jesus sacrificed himself for all people, and that all people can be saved.

Calvinism- the theology of the Puritans who formed the most powerful cultural group in the US, and ruled Britain for a time as a religious dictatorship- believes something different. Calvinists hold the concept of limited atonement, that Jesus sacrificed himself only for those predestined to be saved- the “elect”. For the others, the “preterite”, salvation is not possible under any circumstances, no matter what they do.

Jews will deny this, but in general they believe God is only for the Jews. At least some Orthodox Jews believe gentiles are reincarnated as animals.

So both the Puritans and Jews- wealthy merchants and bankers- believe God cares about only a small number of people, and the rest are chaff. This, along with their cultural similarities, allows them to cooperate in running things. The Jews are the more visible part of this alliance, but they are most definitely junior partners. The Puritan/Quaker alliance has its “good cops”- the Quakers, their allied pacifist denominations, and the Methodists- but the Puritans are at the top and the unquestioned rulers.


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8 Responses to Limited Atonement and the Chosen People

  1. RS says:

    > but the Puritans are at the top and the unquestioned rulers.

    Would you name any of them? What sorts of things do they do?

    I could be deceived, but people like James Baker or G. Herbert Walker Bush strike me as clueless. They seem fascinated with geopolitics and with looking out for American business interests overseas. That’s cool, but meanwhile what I would call ‘real’ events are occurring across the West. The left is engineering a permanent majority throughout the West by importing foreigners, and the three demographic horsemen are undermining the economy and the more general social comity: racial change, demographic aging, and within-race dysgenesis – all three applying across Western Europe just as much as they apply to the States. The response to these events is largely shaped in the long run by Dem-controlled institutions – namely the media, all educational institutions, and Hollywood, TV, rock stars, Ali G./Borat. The response is totally not shaped by Baker or Bush Sr, but I wouldn’t claim that they are the beginning and end of Power Yankees; certainly MM knows his Power Yanks several times better than I. (I’ll leave out the pre-WWII period, but if we were to include those times, why then of course I agree that ‘mistakes were made’ – that some of the very worst mistakes of the five modern centuries were done by Wilson.)

    I understand that Fox News is pretty close to agreeing with the median America, ie it is centrist or neutral. One of the big questions about power is why there isn’t a rightist TV station, an excellent rightist university, or a populo-rightist serious newspaper as opposed to the magnate-o-centerrightist WSJ. That is to say, why is there no actual resistance? My provisional conclusion is that the big lefty scholars and culture figures actually just win the debate – win it sophistically, to be sure, but win it nevertheless. A certain amount of force is involved – pulling the fire extinguisher while Charles Murray is lecturing, obviating the Am Ren conference through violence threats, installing Blacks as ‘commissars’ in the workplace and intellectual sphere as you describe – yet what may be more determinative is that the intellectual right is simply memetically outgunned and demoralized, they simply lose the debate. They lose at the dinner table, in both the highbrow and middlebrow modes – they lose in the debating hall and in the university and on TV, in both the highbrow and middlebrow modes. Both the intellectuals and the common voters of the right are demoralized – are just as demoralized as our opponents will be when the shit, much more likely than not, really and ‘progressively’ hits the fan during 2008-2058.

    If you ask what Jews are important or what they do I would of course name Boas and his many students who moved into academic chairs, practically taking over anthropology… I would mention that the ‘big’ (determinative) postwar anti-HBD scholars such as Gould and Lewontin are maybe 85% Jewish or more (I would really say 90%), where the pro-HBD counterparts are about 33% Jewish – something around 33% also being the fraction of truly brilliant scholars in the US who are Jewish. Then there’s stuff I’m not totally on top of – alleged role of Jews in desegregation, alleged origin of half the money in politics today from Jews, skewed to the Dems of course – etc.

  2. RS says:

    > pulling the fire extinguisher while Charles Murray is lecturing

    fire alarm not extinguisher

  3. Brandon says:

    It’s the other way around. The jew is the initiator, directly under the adversary. There are levels on levels between those who initiate and those who carry out the orders. The ones closest to the jew are conciously complicit while not being necessarily members of the tribe. The further away from the jew the level is, the more useful idiot/stooges there are. They are all doing his work so in a sense are even “jew” in their minds and deeds.

  4. Jacob says:

    The WASP elite has declined dramatically over the past several decades and doesn’t really run anything anymore.

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  6. Eumaios says:

    This paper has an interesting take on the supposed incoherence of the Thrasymachean concept of justice which I think relevant here.

    The author suggests that Thras. was considering three types of people in his description of justice as being the “advantage of the stronger”, which I will gloss as the many, the rulers, and the rising strong. Thrasymachean justice is justice as seen from the viewpoint of the many, who never gain through actions that are just for them to commit.

    If the Puritans are the rulers, then the power-seeking Jews are the rising strong, Glaucon’s “perfectly injust” men who successfully maintain the appearance of justice.

    • Very interesting.

      The rising strong are probably more directly threatening to the many than the tyrant. They are some threat to the tyrant too, but they can also help him by keeping the many busy protecting themselves.

      There used to be a dictator of Zaire named Mobutu, who had accumulated a fortune of 5 billion. It was generally agreed he should stay, because he had stolen so much he didn’t feel the urge to steal any more. Whereas if a new guy came into power, he would begin extensive looting to fill up his Swiss bank account.

      I’m pretty sure our rulers have perfected “perfect injustice.”

  7. Ian says:

    * Radical/lefty American Politicians – Barney Frank, Barbara Boxer, Obama’s handlers Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod, Edward Koch, Al Franken, Robert Reich, Russ Feingold, socialist Bernie Sanders, Paul Wellstone, Henry Waxman, John Kerry

    * Radical/lefty American Jurists – Abe Fortas, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Elena Kagen, Felix Frankfurter (played key role in Brown v. Board of Education)

    * Post-Sixties radical/lefty American Politics – Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Stanley Fish, Medea Benjamin, Rachel Corrie, Judi Bari, Michael Lerner, Winona LaDuke, Nadine Strossen, Ben Cohen (founder of TrueMajority), Jeff Cohen (founder of FAIR), Jeffrey Sachs (bestselling-author racial-socialist “economist”), George Soros, Leonard Zeskind

    * Lefty Media – The Sulzbergers, A. M. Rosenthal, Barbara Ehrenreich, Garrison Keillor, Katrina vanden Heuvel (editor part-owner and publisher of The Nation), Michael Albert (co-founder of Z Magazine), Daniel Schorr, Tamar Jacoby (open borders advocate), Dana Goldstein (American Prospect Writer), Naomi Klein (The Nation anti-globalization writer), Barry Deutsch (aka “Ampersand”), Jonathan Alter, Jacob Weisberg (editor of Slate), Paul Krugman, Peter Schrag, Marty Perez, Stephen Kinzer, Rachel Maddow (partial), Thomas Friedman, David Brooks, Frank Rich, Barbara Walters, Seymour Hersh, Andrea Mitchell, Mathew Yglesias, Hendrik Hertzberg, Mark Halperin

    * Sixties American radical revolutionaries – Daniel Ellsberg, Abbie Hoffman, Saul Alinsky, Jerry Rubin, William Kunstler, five of the “Chicago Seven”, many of the leders of the SDS Weathermen etc, Jack Ruby, Irving Howe

    * Creation of the sixties welfare state: Wilbur Cohen, Frances Fox Piven

    * Radical South American revolutionaries – Salvador Allende, Haydée Tamara Bunke Bider (East German, fought with Che Gevara), Lori Berenson (tried to help Túpac Amaru Revolutionary Movement take Peruvian congressmen hostage)

    * Culturally subversive/destructive musicians and moviemakers – Bob Dylan, Country Joe (“… and the Fish”), Ani DiFranco, Lenny Bruce, Todd Solondz (“Happiness” and “Life During Wartime”), Eli Roth (“Hostel” movies), Malcomb McClaren (Sex Pistols impressionario), Merrill Beth Nisker (Peaches), Mick Jones (of The Clash), Lou Reed, Mickey Avalon, Brad Wilk (RATM drummer)

    * Entertainers with vocal liberal/radical political opinions – Barbara Striesand, Joan Rivers, Sacha Baron Cohen, Sandra Bernhard, Jack Black, Leonard Bernstein, Ed Asner, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Oliver Stone

    * Gangsta rap businessmen – Rick Ruben, Jerry Heller (Ruthless Records), David Kenner (Death Row Records), Jimmy Iovine (Interscope records), Michael Koch (E1 Records/In The Paint Records), Bryan Turner (Priority Record), Lyor Cohen (Rush Productions), Al Teller (MCA Records), Steve Ralbovsky (CBS Records), Bill Adler (publicist), Joe Weinberger (tax attorney), Steve Rifkind (Loud Records)

    * Pre-Sixties American Radicalism – I. F. Stone, Emma Goldman

    * The Russian Revolution – Leon Trotsky, Vladamier Lenin’s mother’s father, Felix Dzerzhinsky (founded Cheka, first Soviet secret police), Yakov Yurovsky (lead team that executed the Romanovs), Ilya Ehrenburg, Grigory Zinoviev, Lev Kamenev, Kaganovich (demolished Church of the Redeemer and wanted to destroy St. Basil’s cathedral), Lev Kopelev (writer who urged lack of pity on starving “counter-revolutionary” Ukranians), a disproportionate number of the Bolshevik revolutionaries and early NKVD leaders

    * Leaders of the violent 1918-19 Communist/Spartacist uprising in Germany that attempted to overthrow the Kaiser and paralyze the German war effort – Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht, Kurt Eisner, Philipp Scheidemann, Friedrich Ebert, Leo Jogiches, Clara Zetkin, and most of the rest

    * Other European Communists and Socialists – Karl Marx, Jacques Derrida, all the original members of The Institute for Social Research/The Frankfurt School (Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno, Erich Fromm, Carl Grunberg, Max Horkheimer), Claude Levi-Strauss, Markus Wolf (head of East German intelligence service), the leaders of the 1968 student revolt nationwide strikes and other unrest in France (Alain Geismar, Daniel Cohn-Bendit, Alain Krivine, Marc Kravetz, etc), Margaret Hodge (British politician), disproportionate number of participants in the socialist uprisings of 1848

    * Feminism – Betty Friedan, Susan Sontag, Gloria Steinem, Naomi Wolf, Eve Ensler, Andrea Dworkin, Susan Faludi, Susan Brownmiller, Adrianne Rich, Alice B. Toklas, Gertrude Stein, Carol Gilligan, Judith Butler, Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick, Bella Abzug, Alice B. Toklas, Robin Morgan, Bettina Aptheker, Blu Greenberg, Heather Booth, Phyllis Chesler, Judy Chicago, Sonia Pressman Fuentes, Nancy Miriam Hawley, Alix Kates Shulman, Gisele Halimi, Elisabeth Badinter, Simone Veil, Bonnie Sherr Klein, Michele Landsberg, Wendy Doniger

    * American “Anti-Racism” – all the original board of directors of the NAACP except one, Tim Wise, Noel Ignatiev, Stanley Levison, Stanley Levinson (Communist MLK speech writer), Morris Dees Richard Cohen Joseph Levin and the rest of the very well compensated founders/officers of the SPLC, Joel & Arthur Spingarn (early NAACP leaders), Kivie Kaplan (head of NAACP), Edward Zwick (directs pro-black movies like “Blood Diamond” and “Glory”), Paul Kivel, Immanuel Wallerstein and Paul A. Baran (created idea that Marxism means tropican people overwhelming Europeans), Charles H. Rivkin (US Ambassador trying to african/islamic-ize France), Hollywood executives who bring us an unending stream of race propaganda like “Amistad”, “The Blind Side”, “Save The Last Dance”, “Roots”, “Glory Road”, “Book of Eli”, “Precious”, “The Color Purple”, “Notorious”, “Hustle And Flow”, and who make sure criminals in movies are usually white

    * Traitors – Adam Yahiye Gadahn, Ethel and Julius Rosenberg, George Koval (Manhattan Project Soviet spy), four-fifths of all those caught and convicted of Communist espionage and treason in the United States/Canada

    * White South African Anti-Apartheid Activists – Johnny Clegg, Ronnie Kasrils, Arthur Chaskalson, Arthur Goldreich, Baron Joffe, Benjamin Pogrund, Bram Fischer, Denis Goldberg, Harold Hanson, Harold Rubin, Harry Schwarz, Helen Suzman, Joe Slovo, Joel Joffe, Lionel Bernstein, Louis Isaac Rabinowitz, Nadine Gordimer, Richard Goldstone, Ruth First, Shawn Slovo, other communist “white allies” of the ANC during and after apartheid

    * “Anti-Racist” Egalitarian (Psuedo-)Scientists – Franz Boas, Steven Jay Gould, Jared Diamond, Ashley Montagu, Leon Kamin, Richard Lewontin, Steven Rose, Anne Fausto-Sterling

    * Radical Activist Gay Rights – Tony Kushner, Harvey Fierstein, Larry Kramer, Harvey Milk, Arnie Kantrowitz, Alan Klein (co-founder of ACT UP Queer Nation GLAAD and, Arnie Kantrowitz (co-founder GLAAD), Jonathan D. Katz (founded and chairs Harvey Milk Institute, co-founder of Queer Nation), Moisés Kaufman (wrote “The Laramie Project”), Israel Fishman (founder of the Gay Liberation Caucus), hip-hop artist “socalled”

    * Pornography – Steven Hirsch (founder Vivid Entertainment – top movie maker), Peter Asher (president of Vivid Entertainment), Adam Glasser (“Seymore Butts”), Stephen Cohen (, Jonathan Silverstein (president of Cybererotica), Ron Levi (Chairman of Cybererotica), Al Goldstein (Screw magazine), Reuben Sturman (ran majority of porn publishing and bookstores in 70s), Norman Chanes and Martino and David Chew (High Society magazine), Paul Fishbein (industry spokesman), Steve Orenstein, Gloria Leonard (invented pay phone sex) , Ron “Jeremy” Hyatt, a disproportionate number of American porn stars (many female, even more male), most of the erotica book dealers between 1890 and 1940, Dov Charney (American Apparel semi-porn ads)

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