30 Years of AIDS and the Gay Problem

I posted this over at the Atlantic, in response to some blather by Joshua Green about heroically confronting AIDS-

“AIDS is an excellent example of how the left controls the debate by defining what is and isn’t acceptable to say. 

AIDS is not a gay disease. It’s also a disease of intravenous drug users. If you are not a man having sex with other men, or sharing needles with another illegal drug user, you can only get AIDS through incidental contact with those who do. Heterosexuals who don’t get blood transfusions or have sex with bisexual men don’t get AIDS. The counter argument to this is that in Africa heterosexuals do get AIDS, but since this doesn’t happen in other places, the veracity of the reporters in Africa is in question.

It’s hard to get AIDS. You have to do something that objectively is pretty gross to get it, and while theoretically you have to do it only once, statistically you have to do it a lot. You have to do something which allows the blood of an infected person get into your bloodstream. I’ll pass on the descriptions, but Congressman Dannemeyer can hardly be condemned for doing so; he was only speaking the factual truth. Again these activities are intuitively unwise- just as inhaling the smoke of burning vegetable matter was intuitively unwise, even before 1965- but once it has been shown that these activities pass along a virus that causes a terminal disease, would it not be reasonable to cease these activities? Would it not be unreasonable for society to ask its members to refrain from these activities? I think so. This opinion is of course unacceptable in polite society, while the opinion that the AIDS epidemic was actually all the fault of Ronald Reagan is not only accepted by honored. But who can account for fashion?

My personal opinion is that this goes back to the Romantic movement. People decided science, and religion that limited people’s desire to do whatever they wanted, was a drag. Doing whatever felt good with gusto regardless of social norms became the ideal. It took a long time for this to filter down from Lord Byron and Goethe to the general public, but that is what we live with today.

Society functions best when people take responsibility for their own health and safety.”

Homosexuals create a cost to society, in simple dollar costs that of AIDS treatment. It’s not cheap, and it’s not ending, as something like 20% of homosexuals under 25 are HIV positive.

I’m sympathetic to the libertarian position on homosexuality. People ought to do whatever they want, be responsible for the consequences, and be left alone. This is usually called being a “social liberal”, as in the common statement “I’m a fiscal conservative but a social liberal.”

The problem is that being a fiscal conservative requires being a social conservative. People who lead socially liberal lives, if they are not intelligent and future-oriented, inevitably have problems that require the government, in the view of liberals, to step in and help them. Divorce, single motherhood, drug use, unrestricted sex, all directly or indirectly lead to dollar costs and social dysfunction.

The homosexual problem is still worse though. Certain groups and classes have always viewed society at large with disgust and contempt. Jews and Gypsies formally believe that the population in general is “unclean”. Protestant elites have a less rigid, but still strong, Calvinist belief in the elect, of which they are members and the lower orders not. Homosexuals have much the same belief. They have a burning contempt and hostility to traditional society outside of the elite cities.

This leads to an especially unhealthy and hubristic spin to the political monologue.

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About thrasymachus33308

I like fast cars, fast women and southern-fried rock. I have an ongoing beef with George Orwell. I take my name from a character in Plato's "Republic" who was exasperated with the kind of turgid BS that passed for deep thought and political discourse in that time and place, just as I am today. The character, whose name means "fierce fighter" was based on a real person but nobody knows for sure what his actual political beliefs were. I take my pseudonym from a character in an Adam Sandler song who was a obnoxious jerk who pissed off everybody.
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6 Responses to 30 Years of AIDS and the Gay Problem

  1. Yellow Supremacist says:

    I think I’m going to copy your words and repeat them widely. In Mala Fide should feature writing like yours.

  2. tyler says:

    “The problem is that being a fiscal conservative requires being a social conservative. People who lead socially liberal lives, if they are not intelligent and future-oriented, inevitably have problems that require the government”

    No, the solution is to not give any government aid or charity aid to these sorts of people. That way they don’t spread their low IQ, low future time orientation genes.

    It is better to let them and their children starve to death. That way irresponsible parents don’t burden the welfare system and,most importantly, don’t burden even more children with their defective genes.

    • As a practical matter that wouldn’t work. People are very reluctant to let other people suffer too much.

      • tyler says:

        People need to get over their short-sighted automatic empathy response and understand that in the long run their knee-jerk altruism makes it worse by causing more children to be born with low IQ,low future time orientation genes. Educating people about heredetarianism should help people understand why their empathetic acts towards the mentally inferior are actually harmful in the long-term. And why “evil” social darwinistic lassez-faire capitalism is actually,in the long term, benevolent.

        Another issue is people who profit off the underclass and are reluctant to lose their valuable economic units. Oh well, the higher-ups are smart enough to find other means of making money that doesn’t include profiting off the underclass.

  3. anon666 says:

    ” People who lead socially liberal lives, if they are not intelligent and future-oriented, inevitably have problems that require the government, in the view of liberals, to step in and help them.”

    Most intelligent and future-oriented people in my area are politically liberal but “conservative” in terms of lifestyle. Sure, they might ride bikes and eat organic locally-grown produce from the farmers market, but their lives are stable, regimented and relatively low-risk. I’ve witnessed quite a few ideologically liberal and pro-gay individuals display facial expressions and vocal utterances indicating total revulsion when the topic of anal sex is brought up. I think the mannerisms and sensibilities of many of them border on Victorian — it’s all to easy for a person to inadvertently offend them — not just by saying the wrong things, but by violating certain unknown rules of etiquette – leading to complete social ostracism with no explanation.

    I’m fairly libertarian on the matter, myself. I don’t think there’s any law of human nature that compels us to shield people from the consequences of irresponsible behavior. Once upon a time, we were not only much more willing to allow suffering, but also much more willing to inflict it.

    • “Victorian” is exactly the term. Conservatives cannot understand that the social system we have is not a modern or foreign imposition, but a deep part of a certain segment of Anglo-Saxon culture. The English expression is that certain things are “just not done”- and doing them leads to a passive-aggressive cold shoulder. All kinds of things- racial equality, sexual equality, complete acceptance of homosexuality (the visceral reaction you noted aside), control of society by social scientists and liberal Protestant ministers- have been made matters of proper middle-class morality.

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