Modern Leftist Morality and Victorian Christianity

OneSTDV talks about wimpy vegetarian dudes-

http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2011/02/vegetarian-men.html

I frequently point out various places that this isn’t really Marxist, or liberal, in the way we usually think of those things, but comes from the kind of socially active Victorian Christianity that fell under the umbrella of Nonconformism-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonconformism

John Harvey Kellogg invented breakfast cereal, loved fiber, hated meat and sex, and was a Seventh Day Adventist-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg

A comedy was made about this fellow, with Anthony Hopkins as a manic Dr. Kellogg and Matthew Broderick and Bridget Fonda as hapless visitors to his sanitarium-

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111001/

Being against sex and for eating cornflakes are of course hilarious to the modern liberal, but the intense belief that eating “whole grains” and eating little meat are important to good health are straight from Kellogg’s pseudoscience. Mormonism is another 19th century social religion that discourages eating meat.

Conservatives like to think of leftism as a strange foreign imposition on red-blooded, macho Americans, from suspicious New Yorkers and pointy-headed foreigners, but to a great extent it’s culturally and socially deeply embedded in American culture. Catholics are usually liberals, but the idea of perfecting human existence- or nearly perfecting it- is foreign to them.

The culture is a difficult thing to fight.

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2 Responses to Modern Leftist Morality and Victorian Christianity

  1. zhai2nan2 says:

    http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/the_real_differ.php

    This 20-minute video starts out slow, but about halfway in they explain
    that political “liberals” and “conservatives” across many cultures tend
    to think in five moral factors:
    1. Fairness/Reciprocity
    2. Harm and Care
    3. Loyalty to one’s group
    4. Authority/Respect
    5. Purity (what you are willing to touch with your body, including diet)

    “Liberals” say that they give high importance to fairness and harm, and very low
    importance to everything else. (That’s in theory. In practice, I think a lot of liberals are fanatical about #5. It must be organic halal or I will throw my dinner on the floor! Likewise, I think liberals have a lot of issues with #4. How dare you insult the sacred high priestess of wisdom, Oprah!?)

    “Conservatives” give roughly equal importance to all five factors!

    This talk was given to a heavily leftist audience.

    “Punishment” sounds bad to leftists. However, the 2002 study shows that
    cooperation decays without punishment. When punishment is available,
    large groups cooperate much better.

    Thus, a leftist, talking to an audience that is 95% leftist or more,
    ends up saying that leftism has to open up to the other three
    foundations of morality. I think he uses the term “open up” because he
    mentions that leftists are psychologically in favor of “openness.”

    So, if you have 20 minutes, it’s a good talk.

  2. mindweapon says:

    I’m sorry I missed this the first time around.

    I suspect the idea in getting people to be gramnivores instead of omnivores was to grow a large population of herd like workers. But what we get is a nightmarish dystopia of obese, diabetic button mashing faggots.

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