The Real Trayvon Martin Story- George Zimmerman Is Mestizo

Half Sigma comes up with this news story, which makes the Trayvon Martin shooting a whole new deal.

George Zimmerman is clearly not white, and not even a white Hispanic. He looks like your run-of the-mill Mexican, which is to say a mestizo, a person of mixed European and Amerindian ancestry.

The term “Hispanic” is of course racially meaningless. It is officially and legally an ethnic category, invented if I remember correctly by the Nixon administration. If you are from Spain you are not Hispanic. Hispanic means you come from Latin America, and could be of any race.

When I was a kid, it was a lot simpler. Anyone from Latin America in California was a Mexican, whether recent immigrant or old stock. So we just called them “Mexicans”. The term Hispanic encompasses these people- who whether they come from Mexico, Guatemala, or El Salvador, are almost always mestizos or Amerindians. These people form the lower class of these countries, and the whiter middle and upper classes have less reason to leave. I remember a kid named Victor showed up at my school. He had dark hair and tannable skin, but with freckles. He wore a cardigan and leather shoes, and the other Mexican kids- who adhered to the cholo dress code- thought he was a dork and made fun of him for being from Mexico.

East of the Mississippi things are more complicated. Puerto Ricans have much more African ancestry, as do various other Caribbean Hispanics. The exception was the original Cuban refugees from Castro, who were upper-class and fairly white, even if brunette. Other Cubans had already come to Florida and settled in Tampa, but I don’t know how white they were.

If you hear of a Hispanic around Orlando named George Zimmerman, you might be excused for assuming- as I and apparently most others have- that he is a fairly white Cuban, who generally behaves like a European American. For a white person to behave aggressively toward a black person is extremely unusual. Bernie Goetz, the famed “subway vigilante”, is an example. But Florida has changed a lot in recent years and now has a lot of Mexicans and Central Americans. He is described as having a white father and Hispanic mother, but his mother must be mostly “indio” for him to look like he does.

But your rougher sort of Hispanics- and I’ll just say Mexicans for simplicity- don’t play well with blacks. They come from a culture where blacks are at the bottom of the totem pole and nobody feels bad about it. They are quite violent and racist, and don’t defer to blacks or like having them around.

Where there are large numbers of Mexicans they seem not to mix with blacks, and blacks seem to steer clear of them. In Los Angeles they have driven blacks out of many areas usually thought of as black strongholds- Compton, once white working class (and home of Kevin Costner and James Coburn) became black and scary, but not scary enough to keep out the Mexicans, who displaced the blacks. In some areas Mexican gangs have explicitly targeted blacks to make them leave. But it has to be cultural too- blacks just don’t like being around any significant number of non-blacks, I’m sure they find the Latin culture and language strange and frightening, and Mexicans are not deferential and inclined to ignore black predation, as whites are.

And that last bit tells the whole story. The neighborhood is a modest community of townhouses going for just over $100,000. A simple, blue-collar and lower middle-class place. While theoretically gated, a black resident quoted on Coates’s blog admits black “youth” have been walking in and stealing stuff. Zimmerman was quite angry about this. The area seems to be about 50% white and 25% Hispanic, but the census tract covers a large area so it’s hard to tell the racial mix of The Retreat at Twin Lakes. (Yes, housing developments in Florida have silly names like this.) I suspect that it is mostly white and white-acculturated Hispanics, which is why Zimmerman was the only resident willing to volunteer time to the Neighborhood Watch. His white and acculturated neighbors seem to have been willing to accept the incursions and treat them as a nuisance- locking the garage and house more carefully, and calling the insurance company about the loss.

One of white people’s serious defects is an unwillingness to protect their turf. White people are adapted, culturally and genetically, to avoid confrontation with those physically close. In a hostile climate a communal culture develops that discourages this.

Had Zimmerman not been there, there would have been no confrontation. Had there been more Mexicans, the local black kids might have gotten the message, however exactly Mexicans communicate it, that coming into the neighborhood to steal stuff- or coming into the neighborhood at all- was a bad idea. 

We are going to be seeing Zimmerman’s sad mug in the paper and on TV a lot in the coming months. It is going to be hard to portray him as a secret Klansman. But he is not going to get off the hook. Blacks are enraged, and the Holder Justice Department has a headline-grabbing case.

Hispanics may get angry, seeing the sad face of a guy who looks like he ought to be hanging out in the Home Depot parking lot, daily excoriated as a “racist! RACIST!” And this may lead to a Hispanic pushback. That may be why the cops let him go. They see a fight between a Mexican and a black end with a gunshot, and the Mexican claims self-defense. A white cop doesn’t realize that because the Mexican has a German name he’ll be identified as white, and don’t want to get heat from the Hispanics for an unjustified arrest. So he writes it up as self-defense and figures it will go away.

In any case, this will be interesting. Blacks live on the assumption they can hurt and steal from all other races, but especially whites and Asians. They need to get taken down a notch, and if this does that, good.

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66 Responses to The Real Trayvon Martin Story- George Zimmerman Is Mestizo

  1. Brandon says:

    Good perspective.

  2. Jessica says:

    Well written ignorance.

  3. stiller arkadius says:

    you are a fucking jew, right? You are simple a funcking, stupid jew and nothing more

  4. Tony says:

    Well written.
    I disagree on your statement about Hispanics being “…quite violent and racist….” against Blacks.
    Nowhere in the history of Latin America will you find anything – anything – as close as the Jim Crow laws, or KKK, or the lynch mobs of whites killing African Americans.
    There is racism in Latin America, of course, and the act of Hispanic gangs you mention seem to be part of gang violence, not Hispanic cultural trait. The reason there isn’t the racial hatred found in USA is because the Spaniards who colonized Latin America – unlike their British counterparts who colonized USA – blended with the local indians, thus creating the mestizo race you correctly identify. Instead of driving Native population to reservations, they were left in their own towns and villages and used as slaves in mines and farms. When the Catholic Church condemned this slavery of Indians, Blacks were brought to do slave work, although this “slavery” had very little similiraties with the brutal treatment given to slaves in USA. This all ended early in the 17th. century when Latin American countries broke off from Spanish rule.
    So to come and all of sudden accuse Hispanics of engaging in the same historical hate as USA Caucasians is false.
    Movies like “Amistad” or media bias seem to add to the confusion that Latin America was violent against Blacks, and the USA where benign to them. Historical facts show the exact opposite.

    • formerly no name says:

      Iberians f*cked some Indians and slaughtered others. Simply more inconsistent than Nordics.

      Brazil:
      http://necrometrics.com/20c300k.htm#Brazil
      Gerald Colby, Thy Will Be Done: the Conquest of the Amazon (1995)
      800,000 Indians “disappeared into extinction” since 1900.
      40,000 to 100,000 died, 1957-68.
      Robin Hanbury-Tenison, A Question of Survival (1973): The Indian population of Brazil declined from a half million in 1900 to 80 thousand in 1957 to 50 thousand in 1973. Whether the 450,000 missing Indians were assimilated or exterminated is not certain, but a significant number were probably victims of genocide.
      Robert Hitchcock & Tara Twedt: Indian population of Brazil declined from 1.0M to 0.2M between 1900 and 1957, a net loss of 800,000 (in Century of Genocide, Samuel Totten, ed., (1997))
      Porter estimates that 100,000 Brazilian Indians were victims of genocide during the 1960s.
      Darcy Ribeiro, “Indigenous Cultures and Languages in Brazil”, in Indians of Brazil in the Twentieth Century, Janice Hopper, ed. (1967): 87 Indian tribes in Brazil went extinct between 1900 and 1957 (Out of an original 230) This, by the way, is the authoritative study of Brazilian Indian population, which is why every other author discussing the decline of Indian population uses 1957 as a milestone.
      Rummel estimates the following Indian deaths:
      Under republic (1900-30): 50,000 democides
      Under Vargas (1930-45): 60,000
      Under Dutra/Vargas (1945-64): 50,000
      Under military (1964-85): 75,000
      TOTAL: 235,000

      Just one example.

      • Tony says:

        So you are suggesting Brazil had Jim Crow laws and KKK? You point out a good example, but you seem to be incurring in a fallacy by deviating from the central argument of the blog.
        My comment was to combat the false assertion by the author of this blog of the alleged ‘racism’ of Hispanics, not the number of deaths caused by governments or the process of European colonization of Brazil, which also happened in the USA.
        Any colonization process will result in deaths of native population, from the Persian empire to the Iraq invation. Your figures simply point out a historial, albeith regrettable, fact. How many of these deaths were because of disease, for instance?
        Finally, Brazil was Portuguese, not Spanish. My post was focusedo on Spanish history. I know very little of Portuguese colonization history.

  5. Love says:

    I initially did not like your blog but you are very right in most instances.

    You say that “One of white people’s serious defects is an unwillingness to protect their turf. White people are adapted, culturally and genetically, to avoid confrontation” but I disagree.

    The greatest defect european descendant living in this continent are guilty of is their lack of accountability for the horrendous crimes they as a group have committed and continue to commit particularly against non-European looking people and recently against the poorer of their own kind, some of which are commonly knows as white trash or red necks.

    I am Indigenous culturally and of mixed ancestry, African, Indigenous and white. My maternal great grand mother was raped by a criollo (spaniard born in the territory currently knows as Mexico). There are varying levels of Ignorance from all sides, people of African ancestry, from people of European ancestry and people who assume the label of hispanic and or latino.

    Here are a few facts

    1. Much like hispanic or latino, Mexican is an identity fabricated by the criollo headed elite after 1910. The Mexican cultural identity was taught to all city people through schools, art movements and economic marginalization with the purpose of ensuring an ignorant population and the exclusive accumulation of wealth among the criollos elite. The Mexican identity calls for the abandonment of the Indigenous and African cultural roots and identity. The Mexican identity aims to impose a culture based on catholic and colonial spaniard values. The Mexican identity was formulated after the Indigenous revolution in 1910 in order to erase Indigenous conciousseness in hope to avoid further revolutions which placed in danger the power structure.

    2. You are right, hispanic and latino are conceptual words which attempt to homogenize all the cultural and ethnic variants existent in the entire continent. For the U.S.A government, hispanic means people born in this continent who speak spanish who are not spaniards. In the U.S.A and Mexico people culturally Mexican also include spaniards under hispanic and latino. In a more rigid application of the definition, a hispanic can be any person who speaks spanish though it might not be his or her mother tongue or culture.

    3. Because of the racist and brutal and ignorant caste system instituted by criollos (spaniards born in this continent), people of African ancestry were always held at the bottom of the economic strata, followed by full blooded indigenous people, mixed were better off and at the top were those of european phenotype. This economic strata based on ignorance and racist nonsense is still going long and strong.

    4. GENERALLY speaking an Indigenous person who acquires a european and christian value system becomes a ladino or a Mexican. An Indigenous person who rejects the eropean and christian mindset even when born in the territory currently known as Mexico will not act with racial prejudice, quite the opposite.

    5. People who are of Mexican cultural identity are generally very racist against Mexican nationals of obvious African and Indigenous phenotype. The caste system made people desire to be european looking in order to achieve a better standard of living. To this day women of African and Indigenous descent try their hardest to look as white a possible. The attitude comes from a time in which looking more european could mean attracting a mate with more european features than her and hopefully moving up the economic ladder.

    6. The racism in the territory currently know as Mexico and the territory currently known as the U.S.A perpetrated by people of Mexican cultural identity against people of African descent comes out of sheer ignorance. The number of Africans who were introduced into new spain was larger than that in the entire history of the U.S.A.

    Indigenous people in the entire continent have always had the tradition of embracing and mixing with people of African descent. In new spain the admiration and eagerness to welcome and mix with people of African descent was so large that currently it is hard to see the African phenotype in Mexican Nationals because the constant mixing diluted the phenotype. Something similar happened to the the Huns in the European continent. The large majority of Mexican national have 5 percent of African genes in them. The first Mexican president was a man of African Descent, he abolished slavery and re-instituted the systems of free education which was present in pre-hispanic times. The African presence and love relationships with the Indigenous populations created new foods and music, Mariachi, Son Jarocho and Banda are a few music genres impregnated with African polyrhythms. It was Indigenous and African leaders who took the land back from the criollos and the catholic church establishing the ejido system of land sharing in 1910. In short, Indigenous people prior to 1910, embraced mixing with Africans, Indigenous people after 1910 or even earlier (by this time Mexicans culturally) embraced the racism as instigated by the criollos and their economic and social institutions.

    In other words, the brutal racism towards Indigenous populations and Africans has always been of European conception. Slowly that ignorance was transferred to the mixed populations by the brutal caste system and the creation of the Mexican cultural identity. So to this day the racism exists but it is a poison being kept alive by the elite in most spanish speaking countries including the U.S.A.

    The issues about who steals more, well we could argue that the entire territory currently known as the U.S.A is stolen territory by genocidal, racist, ignorant maniacal animals. Lets not get into white collar crime which is largely committed by European descendants who knowing no limits steal even from one another, lets just look at the causes of our current economic depression. Whose pockets are full while everyone else looses their homes, lives and health, it is certainly not the people in Compton or East L.A.

    So even if the man who killed that young man has a complete Indigenous phenotype, his mental sickness is still a by product of a certain European mindset and vision of the world which still holds power in our country (U.S.A) and many others all over the world.

    Just to reiterate, I agree with a lot of your information as being true however shallow. And I disagree with the notions that white people’s greatest character flaw is their inability to defend what is theirs. “White” people do a great job at defending what is theirs, stealing what is not theirs and acting like it was always theirs. I believe the greatest character flaws in european americans is lack of accountability, unfounded fears and a false notion of who they really are as a group.

    If Indigenous people and African descendants shot every person that has stolen from us, there would be very few europeans left. As a matter of fact from an Indigenous perspective, the only people who are legally in this continent are African and that is because we like them and they never have stolen from us a a group.

    So next time you claim anything as being yours, first pay your dues, Just because you gave one another the legality to steal does not mean you did not steal and enter our lands uninvited.

    And if you prescribe to the tough that we kicked your ass and now its our land, then don’t bitch when someone breaks into your house and takes possession of it. An eye for an eye is a B isn’t it, that is why I don’t practice it. So just be cool be accountable for your people’s crimes and give something back to someone in need and be a good human instead of writing hateful and half truths online.

    Oh by the way, mestizo just means mixed, you probably are a mestizo of some sort yourself.

    You are welcome, don’t worry, I won’t send you back to europe.

    Thank you for reading.

    • So even if the man who killed that young man has a complete Indigenous phenotype, his mental sickness is still a by product of a certain European mindset and vision of the world which still holds power in our country (U.S.A) and many others all over the world.

      I think his mental sickness is he doesn’t like people coming into his neighborhood and stealing stuff. I don’t think that’s unique to Europeans.

      Native Americans have been extremely violent, when not towards Europeans the toward each other. Europeans weren’t very militarily successful against them. In many, if not the majority of individual battles, the Europeans lost. But the Europeans kept coming anyway, and the Native Americans were simply overwhelmed with numbers.

      A good book that is reasonable to both sides is “The Comanches, the History of a People” by T.R. Fehrenbach.

      • Love says:

        You are correct, protecting your stuff is not a disease. But what the man did was far from that.

        Your logic is faulty, what you are saying is that It is righteous to shoot an unarmed person simply on suspicion of stealing?. Well in this case, every european descendant is a fair target because historically and currently, they have killed, stolen and oppressed my people in imaginable numbers and quantities. According to your argument previous experience without actual proof is enough to kill someone, all europeans in the U.S are suspects then and should not be surprised, outraged or saddened if suddenly someone began to shoot them on the basis of being suspect.

        On a more personal note, honestly I do not trust european americans at all, the fact that you are all here claiming this land without remorse is beyond me. Your dislocated and false sense of self, your constant and never ending fear, your lack of empathy for others suffering (as you yourself have exhibited shamelessly), well it has all the signs of psychopathy , in any instance however I would never be so insane as to applaud or support the killing of any of you. I cant say that about you, IT APPEARS you are not very different from your genocidal, thief ancestors who actually had no moral values or mental dexterity that impeded them from entering someones stolen home while still drenched in the warm blood of its residents.

        Now in regard to Native Americans and the old argument that says “if we had not killed them they would have killed themselves”. Well it is well known and documented that europeans vilified and dehumanized the indigenous populations in order to validate their barbarism. The spaniards used this method in Mesoamerica by exaggerating and making up the concept of human sacrifice and killing of thousands for the purpose of blessing temples etc. Then they got the green light by the catholic kings for killing the indigenous populations in order to save them from committing more sins, how brilliant.

        the method is sick as is brilliant, Similar to how we currently vilify people from other countries and their leader using it as an excuse to attack, murder and steal, Irag is a good example of the continuation of the european sick mindset I was speaking of earlier. Iraq as you know was attacked and destroyed under false accusations, just suspicions. Unfortunately for the previous administration they had not done the homework and did not realize the Muslim extremists are crazier than they were.

        Other reasons the indigenous populations could not stop the invasion of europeans was the diseases they brought over which diminished the populations to 10 percent of the original sizes in the large settlements. The nomadic tribes were lucky in this regard. Another reason the indigenous people were not able to resist the invasion is that there were no tribes that had professional armies, meaning that europeans had people whose job was just to be killers. Most tribes had warrior societies but they could not sustain long term wars, at some point they had to go plant corn or chase animals to eat. Indigenous tribes with the exemption of a few never had the killing power and extermination methods europeans were experts in.

        The reason Indigenous people were successful some battles was courage and the knowledge that they were fighting a righteous battle for their survival. Who do you think is going to fight harder, the person who is fighting for their survival or the person who is getting paid to kill.

        Think of our current military exploits, who do you think is going to have more resolve, a father who is fighting for his family, his god, his life style and survival, or the 20 year old American soldier who joined the military in order to earn a ticket to go to school. There is no comparison, regardless of our technological and military superiority.

  6. Zimmerman was Peruvian-White.
    Your article raising speculations and not actual facts or true analysis. You speculate because someone is a certain race, they share a certain quality. It’s like me saying, I assume you are hispanic because you know what it is to grow up in openly “racist” family-hold where people joke about color of skin, etc. When, that in fact may happen in every household! YOU DONT KNOW! So, I say research before you write about something you think you know. And you are completely oblivious with “white people’s unwillingness to protect their turf” comment. You are most likely basing it on a stereotype you may have of white people and not actually analyzing American History and how they have indeed protected their “turf” and find ways to protect “their turf” through laws, etc……..It’s unconcious but it is done.
    Please think before you write.
    Thank You

  7. He was Peruvian.
    Your article raising speculations and not actual facts or true analysis. You speculate because someone is a certain race, they share a certain quality. It’s like me saying, I assume you are hispanic because you know what it is to grow up in openly “racist” family-hold where people joke about color of skin, etc. When, that in fact may happen in every household! YOU DONT KNOW! So, I say research before you write about something you think you know. And you are completely oblivious with “white people’s unwillingness to protect their turf” comment. You are most likely basing it on a stereotype you may have of white people and not actually analyzing American History and how they have indeed protected their “turf” and find ways to protect “their turf” through laws, etc……..It’s unconcious but it is done.
    Please think before you write.
    Thank You

  8. Lush Rimjob says:

    So this is what it means to “deconstruct leftism”?

    Let me guess; you’d be a member of the Klan except that you got yourself a modicum of education and decided they were beneath you, and started giving economics and culturally deficiencies as excuses for the place of minorities in this society, so as not to be perceived as an old-school bigot.

    Are you “Pro-Life” while defending the Death Penalty and Aggressive Warfare?
    Do you support “Small Government” at the same time as Government Spying and suspension of Habeas Corpus, Drug Incarcerations, Marriage-defining Amendments, and Corporate Subsidies?
    Is your Good Christian Soul clean because you’d never grow out your hair and beard and dress like a hippy, speak out against the Capitalist System, or associate with Sinners like me? (WWJD?)

    You just make the Right seem so Reasonable and Just and Morally Righteous :D

    • You’re making a lot of assumptions. I can’t really blame you, most people are politically illiterate and only know the categories they hear in the media, which are meaningless at best but usually deliberately misleading. Keep reading, you’ll learn something.

  9. me says:

    I’m seriously laughing at your comments “Love”. You act like are some kind of unimaginable cruel race. Ummmm last time I checked just about every race on earth is still up to slavery, genocide, rape, spreading aids, child sex trafficking, mutilation, oppression of women etc…EXCEPT the good ol USA. Why? Because of those white demons that gave you this great place to live and run your mouth. Be thankful, otherwise you could be living like an animal in africa.

    • love says:

      I am sorry to burst your bubble, but slavery, rape, aids spread, drug abuse, child sex trafficking, infanticide, oppression of women etc, does happen in the united stated and in large numbers. And for your information we had all the freedoms and more when we lived here alone, without the leaches and rats from europe. The only things you brought here was death, the worse kind of slavery we ever ever ever knew, and destruction of the environment.

      Only ignorant and obtuse people think that the freedoms we have came as a result of “white people” (as you like calling yourselves, I think you are more like translucent pink) offering them. If it was for “white” people we would still be slaves and there would be none of us left. If we have freedoms in this country it is because we fought for them for centuries. Of course because you are “white” you were never devoid of freedoms but you forget that this was not true for all of us until recently.

      By the way, while all you right wing idiots spend time hating on non “white” people you don’t realize that it is your own kind who is robbing you the most and in the worse ways possible. The banks, the corporations who really control the government, the ultra rich who are mostly “white”. They are the ones really robbing you and me and the rest. But no! you are blind and obtuse and you rather hate on the powerless. Keep at it, the fact is, you will never ever have what you never had, even if there were no non-white people in this continent you will still be miserable because your own is your worse enemy, that is why you all came here from europe. By the way, not all european americans are as dumb as the great majority of the conservative wing. I do not thing all the people in the left are brilliant either, some people just pick sides from ignorance and stupidity as well. But my point is that there are a great, great deal of civilized, intellingent, humanistic and good hearted eruopean americans in this county and this keeps me sane and allows me to sleep at night because if I thought that the majority of european americans were like the author of this blog well then I would purchase guns.

  10. Proud Hindoo says:

    “For a white person to behave aggressively toward a black person is extremely unusual”

    Historically for a white person to behave aggressively toward a black person was extremely common, though recently for a white person WHO IS NOT A COP to behave aggressively toward a black person is unusual.

    There, fixed it for ya.

    Om Shanti

    • I’m noticing a trend here, which is the “hundreds of years of slavery” argument. Some white people abused non-whites in the past, so all white people are bad.

      The only reason the tables haven’t been turned more often- non-whites abusing whites on a large-scale basis- is because whites mae leaps ahead in technology around maybe the 17th century. Until that point, Europeans were the victims to an extent of non-white incursion- the Mongols and Moslem invaders especially. Europeans built larger, better sailing, more seaworthy ships and large iron cannon that allowed them to control the sea. Still, Arab slave raids against Europeans continued until the early 19th century when it was stopped by the fledgling US and its new navy, unwilling to continue a policy of appeasement and ransom. Southern Europe was heavily depopulated by Arab slave raids.

      As part of establishing a sea-based international trade, a few Europeans in cooperation with some Africans estabished a system of enslaving Africans for use as plantation labor in the Americas. This was not done under democracy and only a few profited from it. The outcome has been disastrous for most Europeans- large numbers of an unadapbtable and hostile people inserted in their midst, to leach off them through socialism and harm them through crime.

      Why would you be proud of being a Hindu? And if you’re an Indian in the West, why would you be on the side of blacks?

      • Proud Hindoo says:

        “I’m noticing a trend here, which is the “hundreds of years of slavery” argument. Some white people abused non-whites in the past, so all white people are bad. ”

        That’s not my argument.

        “Why would you be proud of being a Hindu?”

        Civilization, culture, heritage, lineage, family, values and personal accomplishments. Has nothing to do with religious belief in god.

        “And if you’re an Indian in the West, why would you be on the side of blacks?”

        Not taking sides. Just fixed your comment for ya.

      • love says:

        The hundreds of years of slavery and genocide is a very valid one because it is not true that only some profited, all white people profited from the extermination and slavery of my people. All white people had lives and land, is that not a profit?. In the same way Arabs are guilty of not dealing with the right wing extremist Arabs who make them look horrible in our eyes, all of your ancestors are also guilty of not abolishing slavery. If you were not aware, the North did not fight the sound to free the slaves, the North fought the south because the south wanted to be their own country and the North wouldn’t have it. Remember I told you that white people were white people’s worse enemy?.

        Isn’t it amazing that european americans think they came up with our current civilization on their own?. The basis for this civilization is based on the intellect and technology from Black Egypt, India, Asia the Muslim civilization. Science, Math, Government, etc was not your inventions, not even close. You invented the small pox that killed my people, that was your most deadly weapon and you acquired that by living with rats and walking on your own intestinal waste, in other words by being filthy, that is hardly an intellectual achievement my friend.

        Like I always say, “white people are the Steve Jobs of the world” the man did not invent anything, did not innovate anything, but he is credited as an inventor and as an innovator. It is called marketing and right now europeans all over the world have a monopoly on marketing, hence you write the history that makes you look good, however false.

        A few facts, the Mongols only invaded as far a Russia, I would like to know about the Arabs taking europeans as slaves, I wonder what the numbers are. If you did not know the fake jews living in Israel are taking East european girls as sex slaves by the thousands right now, go fight something real.

        Also did you know that you did not even invent you own language? (english). English, German and others are classified as Indo-European.

        But back to my main point, If we all, and by “all” I mean the descendants of slaves and Indians. If we all had the privilege that white people enjoy, if we did not suffer oppression, if we had equal education and equal access to justice and economic prosperity in the same percentages as white people have currently and as a result of getting a kick start thanks to free land and labor, then who would give a rats ass about bringing it up!.

        You still benefit from your ancestors crimes, weather you can see it or admit it. We are still suffering from the aftershock, is is not over for us, that is very clear. I would love to have a reasonable argument with a cop one day, of course you would not know about that privilege because you have it and for you its a given.

        Another thing, I know other people who act and reason in a similar manner to your kind, they are called muslim extremists, I would love to see a war among yourselves, that would be a pay per view event I would pay for.

        Anyways, I know I am talking to a void, who cares, for me this a time killer. I love my life, I love my neighbors, I fear nothing or no one, I am just aware of the two legged human wasted walking on my sacred land.

  11. love says:

    I am sorry to burst your bubble, but slavery, rape, aids spread, drug abuse, child sex trafficking, infanticide, oppression of women etc, does happen in the united stated and in large numbers. And for your information we had all the freedoms and more when we lived here alone, without the leaches and rats from europe. The only things you brought here was death, the worse kind of slavery we ever ever ever knew, and destruction of the environment.

    Only ignorant and obtuse people think that the freedoms we have came as a result of “white people” (as you like calling yourselves, I think you are more like translucent pink) offering them. If it was for “white” people we would still be slaves and there would be none of us left. If we have freedoms in this country it is because we fought for them for centuries. Of course because you are “white” you were never devoid of freedoms but you forget that this was not true for all of us until recently.

    By the way, while all you right wing idiots spend time hating on non “white” people you don’t realize that it is your own kind who is robbing you the most and in the worse ways possible. The banks, the corporations who really control the government, the ultra rich who are mostly “white”. They are the ones really robbing you and me and the rest. But no! you are blind and obtuse and you rather hate on the powerless. Keep at it, the fact is, you will never ever have what you never had, even if there were no non-white people in this continent you will still be miserable because your own is your worse enemy, that is why you all came here from europe. By the way, not all european americans are as dumb as the great majority of the conservative wing. I do not thing all the people in the left are brilliant either, some people just pick sides from ignorance and stupidity as well. But my point is that there are a great, great deal of civilized, intellingent, humanistic and good hearted eruopean americans in this county and this keeps me sane and allows me to sleep at night because if I thought that the majority of european americans were like the author of this blog well then I would purchase guns.

    • Proud Hindoo says:

      Love, I hear ya. As an Indian Hindoo who use to suffer from PCSS, post colonial stress syndrome I also used to blame the current batch of British people and Muslims from West of India (who’s blood is currently mixed in with my fellow Indian citizens today) for what they did to my country and people. But they are not responsible for the sins of their ancestors. That being said, I don’t give a pass to those who deny the extent of atrocities done. For the blogger to write, “For a white person to behave aggressively toward a black person is extremely unusual” and then to cite a “handful of slave owners” does not adddress the Jim Crow Years wherein there was widespread societal aggression against American blacks. I do concede that outright violence against blacks by whites in the USA has since subsided and is unusual. One of the reasons for that is the superior physical frame of the average black man compared to the average white man.

      This particular tragedy is about a 240+ pound adult stalking and murdering a skinny 140 pound kid. The media distracts from these important facts the more it trumps up the race element for viewer hits.

  12. Jordan says:

    I can’t even read Love’s commments anymore! Afrocentric/Native BS! If you want to get technical EVERYONE not in Africa is an Immigrants son plus why do all these “Natives” have stories of massacres of a previous White Race? New Zealand and a lot of Polynesia too! We don’t know squat when it comes to history and the abilities of our ancestors. Every race of Man has been enslaved or oppressed by another at one time, not too mention Slave traders of Colonial times never went into the interior of Africa cuz they didn’t have too. African slave traders did the dirty work and Europeans just came and scooped them up on the coast.

  13. Max says:

    The pictures shown of Trayvon are from the 6th grade–He was a 6’2″ football player, and had gang affliliations, tattoos, and all of his Twitter accounts were closed–The Facebook and other accounts that were accessed earlier on show him spouting gang signals, and the “Niggah” taunts–the man was no Angel either- What would have come of this if the killer was Black–Is Obama a “Half White”?? -Didn’t deserve to die, but, at some point in time, 2 people get together, stuff goes bad, and bad stuff happens–Just as an aside–Tell me what happened to all of the South American and Central American, Mexican , and California Indian tribes when the Spanish came a calling, forcing the Indians to build their Catholic Missions, and stole their gold, etc.- Forced slavery—We they Hispanic? Spanish? They inbred with all of the cultures and basically robbed them of their basic rights and cultures–The White race didn’t do that–The Slave Trade was mostly Arabic in source, and more slaves went to Brazil, than to the Americas–Look at the races existing there, through out the Indies into South America–Back to Slavery in the United States–Who established the Underground Railway” That saved thousands of Black slaves?? White Christian groups–Who were e Predominant group of Union Soldiers that fought the greatest War on this Continent? White soldiers, who died by the hundreds of thousands, which resulted in the freeing of the Slaves–All of you America haters–Go back, and look at the good this country has done–Sure–ALways bad eggs, greed, and the like, but I would venture to say that when the dust clears, you are here , rather than “There”, because of the freedoms this country and all of the citizens, all of the races coming together, have afforded you–If not so, there are travel agencies and many ways of transport to take your ungrateful butts to elsewhere that you may feel is the “Promised Land”–Be a part of the solution and top whining…

    • Proud Hindoo says:

      Who are you addressing as “American haters”? Who’s hating on America here?

      “but I would venture to say that when the dust clears, you are here , rather than “There”, because of the freedoms this country and all of the citizens, all of the races coming together, have afforded you”

      Who are you addressing here? If it’s the commenter “Love” I believe he or she is of African American slave ancestry and in that case he/she did not autonomously “come to the US” because of the freedoms she could gain here. She was BORN here, and her ancestors were chained, forced and dragged here as slaves.

      Keep talkin’ to the “anti-american” voices in your head, pal.

  14. Arturo says:

    His mental disease is genetic and has nothing to do with US imperialism or that crap… I am Peruvian, from Lima, and by statistics it is known that 15% of this country have very serious mental illnesses, included schizophrenia, this derived from RACE MIXING, this blog is correct, most Peruvians are schizophrenic, just check the statistics of people killed by cars, there have been more deaths here from that than from terrorism, and at a higher number than the irak war..

  15. Proud Hindoo says:

    “I am Peruvian, from Lima, and by statistics it is known that 15% of this country have very serious mental illnesses, included schizophrenia, this derived from RACE MIXING, this blog is correct, most Peruvians are schizophrenic”

    And not good at math either. You sight 15% with mental illnesses, of which schizophrenia is just one. Then you say “most Peruvians are schizophrenic”.

    ????????????????????

  16. love says:

    Ohhh my corn!!!!! it is like talking to rocks and 12 year old children in here, they can’t even follow or sustain their own logic, it is funny scary and tragic. They don’t realize that it is their ignorance which is destroying this country little by little, piece by piece. I love this country and I love this continent, my ancestors have lived here for thousands of years THOUSANDS!!!!. I am also of African descent and those ancestors of mine help build the infrastructure of this country, they fought for the rights that we now all have, their cultural contributions to this continent are immeasurable. I am also part white, yes Spaniards are WHITE people Max. I do not relate to the white side of my genetic make up because it is shameful and I have nothing in common with their culture, I mean just recently they stole almost half a billion dollars of gold from Peru!!!!! without shame without regret, they just took it.

    No one ever said “ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE BAD”, there are a great number of european americans (white people) who are intelligent, educated, accountable, open minded, humanitarian, it is because of those european americans that this country has potential of becoming great. The white people I refer to in this blog are the right wingers, because right wingers are primarily of european descent, all the white cubans, the white mexicans, white peruvians etc. The right wing looks out for the benefit of corporations, the 1%, they look out for the domination of europeans in government and seats of power. Right wingers generally stand on the side of money and privilege instead of on the side of humanity, equality and the freedoms for ALL. Of course there are right wingers of races other than european origin but those are worse than the white right wingers just like the Africans who sold their own to the europeans.

    Like I said before, I am at least 25 percent white, but that 25 percent represents to me a legacy of shame because of what that 25 percent of me did and keeps doing to the 75 percent of me. I believe that is why our president relates more to being of African descent more than of european descent even though he is 50 percent and his immediate european family were awesome people. He could easily claim his “white privileges” but he prefers to stand by the less privileged and represent the poor and their economic interests instead of the corporations or the 1 percent. You have to remember that even though he is half white and was raised by the white side of his family, his white family was not wealthy.

    I stand on the side of the underprivileged of any skin tone, religion, sexual orientation, cultural back ground or genetic make up. I am a citizen of the human race before I am an American or Indian or Black. I stand for the benefit of the 99 percent and not the 1 percent or the corporations and I will always side with whomever best represents my ideals. I am not Cristian but I know most not wealthy right wingers in this country are. If Jesus was alive you better believe he would not be a right winger.

    I am not here to fight anyone, I am here to maybe open up the eyes of some of your right wingers from your myopic ideas of your place in this country, this world, humanity. Do not think for one second that the the right is looking out for the interests of the people. Over and over they prove that they stand to protect their wealth, the wealth of their friends and of their investments in the corporations they own. They use your racism, bigotry, your god as leverage to make you vote and support them, but they are not for you, they never were, they never will.

    Thank you Proud Hindoo, I appreciate your intelligence and I am a fan of the intellectual and cultural achievements of your people that includes your cuisine.

  17. Ryu says:

    Jesus. Your commenters write books here.

    I advise against allowed negros, spics and mixed people comment here. I also used to duke it out with them. It is a fruitless battle.

    WN is about whites. We don’t need to convince our enemies of anything. Ban these ratfinks and focus on your people.

    • I never got any negative comments until Trayvon Martin, then a few hostiles discovered the page. I have been banned repeatedly by Ta-Nehisi Coates; leftists don’t like to be contradicted, and black leftists want nothing but full-throated agreement. I answered a few of these, but then left them alone.

      I don’t really care about them. All I have ever wanted was to be able to speak freely. Leftist speech has no meaning- has negative meaning- apart from the ability to intimidate. A leftist without the ability to harm is just a blathering fool. They can say what they want, because without power the more they say, the stupider they show themselves to be. I don’t see myself as doing them a favor or granting them a courtesy by letting them speak, far from it, I’m letting them expose themselves.

    • Love says:

      You are going extinct, you are all mixing, your children embracing everything non “white”, music, food, religions, culture as a whole. Your most powerful countries failing one by one, your ideology of “white” superiority on the margins of humanity. You are going extinct as a race, you are only a small percentage of the world population at 12% and the greater percentage of the “white” race is not with you ideologically, not because they don’t value themselves but because your ideology is simply stupid. You are not on the winning side of life or history. Cry, moan, write a thousand blogs nothing will save you from being erased, boil in your ignorance and hate. YOURS IS A LOST CAUSE it always was.

  18. love says:

    You are going extinct, you are all mixing, your children embracing everything non “white”, music, food, religions, culture as a whole. Your most powerful countries failing one by one, your ideology of “white” superiority on the margins of humanity. You are going extinct as a race, you are only a small percentage of the world population at 12% and the greater percentage of the “white” race is not with you ideologically, not because they don’t value themselves but because your ideology is simply stupid. You are not on the winning side of life or history. Cry, moan, write a thousand blogs nothing will save you from being erased, boil in your ignorance and hate. YOURS IS A LOST CAUSE it always was.

  19. Yogini says:

    Caste, cows and curry – that’s all you got? What about anything I or PH (my partner) wrote indicated “leftism”? You’re intellectualy bereft and culturally unaware if you think Hindu society is a good model for leftism. And he’s a dalit, by the way, but not an anti-Hindu leftist one.

    Now I understand why the rest of the world calls us “stupid Americans”. Many of us are really clueless.

    • He’s proud of a religion that classifies him as subhuman? I have never been to India but people I know who have been- to work, not as tourists- have experienced it as an awful place.

      • Yogini says:

        Showing your ignorance again. Hinduism is not a religion. It is an amalgamation of several different religions, traditions, philosophies, etc that are indigenous to South Asia. Please show me any “dalit” terminology in any South Asian religious text. Please show me any “sub-human” category in those same text. You can’t.

        India’s leftists – the western funded Christian missions and their partners in crime, the Maoist Naxalites, created this category for their own nefarious ends. And they absolutely HATE it that their guinea pigs, “the dalits” are empowering themselves through the mechanisms of their own indigenous traditions rather than taking handouts from them, in exchange for religious conversions of course, or an official Naxalite membership (the same thing in India).

        India is awesome. I’ve been there several times with my partner and nowhere on earth will you find the amount of ancient culture still thriving as you do there. Where else can you find such ancient archetectural marvles (outside of Egypt)? Its a beautiful place rich in history, culture, science, architecture, dance, music, drama, etc.

        The overcrowded cities can be horrific sometimes, and sometimes great fun, but India lives and flourishes outside the metropolises.

  20. Love says:

    Sometimes love comes in the form or a reality check, you are so ignorant, you are probably more mixed than a bag of Skittles, in what fantasy do you exist. White is not a tribe, a nation or even an ethnic group, it is a color. Your genetic mutation is called albinism it is that simple. What ethnic group do you claim really, we all want to see your genetic markers of pure whatever ethnic group you claim.

    • Hate disguised as love- like the “Ministry of Love” in “Nineteen eighty-four”. You have an appropriate handle.

      • Love says:

        LOL, Ministry of love sounds just like North Korea, a right wing government with only ethnic Koreans in it, is that what you would like for our beloved United States of America?. A sealed country with walls on all its borders with, only Germans and Irish in it?

        LMAO, Interestingly enough thrasymachus33308 I don’t think you are as bad a person as you appear to be.

    • Yogini says:

      “you are probably more mixed than a bag of Skittles”

      Well the blog host Thrasymacus is definetly more ideologically mixed up than a bag of Skittles, that is for sure. Naming the blog “Deconstructing Leftism” and then constructing a leftist agenda for India.

      • Groan. Northern European whites certainly have a class system, but it is based on reciprocal respect and obligation. There are no “untouchables”.

        I’m a Germanic and Celtic skilled worker. I would be curious to know your ethnicity and class, it would tell me a lot about where you’re coming from. I could assume but since you are spending so much time on my crazy right-wing blog you could tell me where you’re coming from.

      • Proud Hindoo (yogini's partner) says:

        You are unfamiliar with global politics and how they affect India. Rightwingers in the US support lefist activity in India. What you don’t want for your own society, you want for India’s. Do some reading on the connection between rightwing western funded Christian “missions” and Maoist Naxalism in India. The leftist media in India veers pro-Christian because Christians are a “minority” in India, despite them having the backing of a worldwide imperialistic empire, The Vatican. Its a matter of divide and conquer. The very fact that you even bring up the “dalit” construct is proof that despite having no idea of these mechanisms, you have somehow been administered the koolaid.

  21. Love says:

    True Proud Hindoo, the issue here is that the ignorant right wingers here, are so blind that they think their enemy is “non-white people” (whatever that means). They are so blinded by their ignorance and bigotry that they don’t realize their enemy is actually the wealthy right wingers who will support ANYTHING or ANYONE that protects or brings them more profit and keeps them (non rich) distracted and dumb. An extreme is that the rich right wing supports terrorism when it fills their pockets (if you want examples, I will be happy to provide). They often dress in christian sheep clothes with gifts to divide and conquer rural communities all over the world. Same is true for Islam by the way, except more often Islam uses violence.

    In regard to ancestry, I am of Mongol, East Asian, Igbo and some spaniard (of which I don’t care a bit). My ancestors traveled to this continents over 17,000 years ago, my African ancestors were brought here over 400 years ago and set the first free African colony in the continent. The town still exists and carries the name of its founder.

    Its funny, one of my dearest friends name is Scott, he did his homework and instead of trying to be African or Indigenous, he traced his roots all the way back to Ireland and practices as much of his Celtic culture (pre-christianity) as this culture allows, I deeply respect that. Funny enough he is the complete opposite of what you reflect on this blog (thrasymachus33308). Ohh by the way did ever hear about this Celtic myth?

    “Ancient Irish mythology refers to the original inhabitants of the island as being a giant, sea-faring people called the Fomorians (Fomors), which means “dark of the sea”. They are said to be of Hamitic stock. These demons, as they are portrayed as, defeated the first few incoming waves of invaders, but could not defeat the Firbolgs, who settled the land and lived side-by-side with the native Fomors.
    Two more invasions, the first led by the godly Tuatha de Danaan, and the second by the Celtic Milesians, took control of Ireland, mixing together with the Fomorians until they were no more. Today, it is regarded that these myths may, to some extent, be explaining actual history.
    The Fomorians were a real people, and that they were sailers from Africa, probably Negroid.”

    Also did you know that the The Germanic languages constitute a sub-branch of the INDO-European language family. INDO meaning as in India, how do you think Sanskrit got to Germanic domains, generally by the mixing of people. Here is a good link, http://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/IE_Main4_Sanskrit.html

    So as previously stated, you are probably more mixed than HUGE BAG OF SKITTLES!!!!!!

    • Proud Hindoo says:

      “So as previously stated, you are probably more mixed than HUGE BAG OF SKITTLES!!!!!!”

      I said the blog host was more ideologically mixed-up than a bag of skittles. As far as me being ideologically mixed-up, nope, I’m not. Ethnically mixed? Probably, who cares?

      I am Indian but my partner is not. If we have children they will be mixed, but not mixed-up.

      • Love says:

        Lol, yes Mixing is good it is called “hybrid vigor”, mixed up not good. Just to clarify my last two comments were directed to thrasymachus33308

      • We live in a culture where people are supposed to be “liberal” or “conservative” on some one axis spectrum. Libertarians like the concept of a two-axis spectrum- making economics and social issues separate things- but this is still too simple.

        If you agree with what you see in some news source, you are just consuming a product, in this case a news product. Both liberals and conservatives do this. If you’re not ideologically mixed up you’re probably not thinking very much.

      • Proud Hindoo says:

        Is this;

        “We live in a culture where people are supposed to be “liberal” or “conservative” on some one axis spectrum. Libertarians like the concept of a two-axis spectrum- making economics and social issues separate things- but this is still too simple.

        If you agree with what you see in some news source, you are just consuming a product, in this case a news product. Both liberals and conservatives do this. If you’re not ideologically mixed up you’re probably not thinking very much.”

        Directed towards me? If so, you may live in a culture where “people are supposed to be liberal or conservative on some one axis spectrum” but I don’t.

        India has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than just two political parties, and even more ideologies.

  22. steve says:

    yo quiero taco bell…

  23. steve says:

    por favor…..!

  24. Love says:

    I agree with your last comment thrasymachus33308, history, social issues, economic strata, psychological problems, human condition and other aspects of the human experience contribute to the way in which the social fabric is unfolding here in the US and globally. However, you do not practice reasonable syncretism and your logical syntax is often “mixed up” and without good foundations. You also arrive to conclusions without having a deep enough understanding of that which you speak of.

  25. Love says:

    But I agree, getting all your news information from FOX is the worse thing one can do to feel informed. One has to explore deeper in regard to ones interest in a story or a topic of discussion. In the case of Trayvon Martin, I was doing just that when I found your blog, I was looking for more information outside of the prescribed news outlets.

    Small story, My GF lives in a 99% “white” extremely wealthy, republican “new money” neighborhood. We have been dating for almost 6 months now and I pick her up for the weekend once a week generally. So far I have been stopped and by police 4 times for some BS reason and the neighbors have called the police on me twice every time because I guess I was waiting too long in my car for my GF to come out!!!. Now this is not a gated community or anything like that, it is public space. Although I hate being racially profiled and treated like I don’t belong, I much prefer for the neighbors to call the police on me than if I had one of the neighbors confront me and start a situation which could end up in a fight or a shoot out as tempers rise.

    I drive a nice Mecedes Benz automobile, I dress well, I don’t drive fast or play loud music, I am polite with polite people and I am very aware of my surroundings. I have never been in jail or a court room, I had a speeding ticket once. I don’t drink or use any drugs, my car is clean, now why would anyone stop me or call the police on me? I have light brown skin and my hair is long, what a crime.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, I am entirely aware that we as a people are under occupation and that the laws favor the occupiers and that this situation might never change and that knowledge is a reason why I have been able to survive and thrive, is it fair or just? No, this is the land of my forefathers and it is unfair that I am the one that has to feel like an outsider. As an Indigenous person I will never accept the occupation but while I can’t do anything about it, I welcome into my land those who wish to share it and I frown upon those who come her to discriminate, create friction among the diversity and those entities which seek to sell us their garbage, be it Ideological or material.

    • Proud Hindoo says:

      “So far I have been stopped and by police 4 times for some BS reason ”

      When they stop you what excuses do they give?

      • Love says:

        One time they stopped me because he said I looked suspicious, apparently someone had been raping and killing young women in that neighborhood, so apparently I looked like a rapist and a killer?. They humiliated me by sitting me on the curve, three police cars and looked into my car for about 30 minutes trying to find something. They obviously did not find anything and my record is squeaky clean, they did not apologize, I could have complained or resisted I know my rights but I am also very well aware that as a man of “color” I could end up a fatality very easily and I did not want to take the risk. I however do not trust or feel protected in any way by the police force in my county, there are only two times in my lifetime in which a police officer did something good for me personally.

        Another time I was stopped by an officer because he claimed that he thought I was wearing headphones, I use a bluetooth device to operate my phone.

        The third time there was no excuse he just stopped me to ask me the reason why I was in the neighborhood, my GF who was in the car had to show him her address.

        The fourth time I was stopped because apparently they just do routine checks in that neighborhood, by the way first question he asked me was “are you under parole?” and that was just the start of his humiliating questioning. This last pig stank of bigotry and was trying to make me so angry that he would have an excuse to arrest me, beat me or humiliate me even further. I am smarter than him, so he just had to eat his stupidity and hate.

        I had two friends of mine who joined the police force against my advice. Though they joined to be the “good cops”, eventually they became pigs too. I do not trust anyone who willingly and knowingly supports a racially biased institution.

        The amount of hard drugs, marijuana and pills circulating in that mostly “white” and wealthy neighborhood is insane and the police has nothing better to do than to stop me for no reason, that is laughable.

      • Proud Hindoo says:

        “They humiliated me by sitting me on the curve, three police cars and looked into my car for about 30 minutes trying to find something. ”

        Don’t they need a warrant for that?

        I don’t think the majority of people feel “protected” by cops. Traffic cops are government largesse without anything to do but harasse innocent people.

  26. Hitler Was a Noob says:

    Repeatedly calling Zimmerman a Mexican is racist as fuck. What part of Crackerville are you from?

    • “Hispanic” and “Latino” are meaningless. Since most mestizos residing in the US are from Mexico, it’s easiest just to refer to them as Mexicans.

      • Love says:

        What are you talking about, mestizo just means mixed in spanish, you are a mestizo yourself, Celt and German. Mestizo is also meaningless if you want to be a more precise racist. In Florida Mexicans are not the majority, just call the Killer for what he is, half european perubian, with conservative right wing, gun loving ideology.

  27. Love says:

    Technically they need a warrant if you refuse to have your car searched, I could have refused his request but given the temperament of the officers, the over exaggeration exhibited up to that moment, the lack of witnesses at the location and just the overall atmosphere that had been created, I did not feel safe to refuse a search, I had nothing to hide, I did not know it was going to take them 30 minutes. They made me over an hour late to my job because I missed the traffic free wave.

  28. iozymtl says:

    Although very convincing, your article lacks good evidence. You generalize entire communities which makes you lose credibility.

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